Next Coach 2.0 (2024-26)

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Eleven Bravo, Jul 12, 2024.

  1. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    Does he? I guess it depends on how you define experience. I like Cherundolo as an option, but I think it's fair to say his resume as a head coach is pretty thin.

    Before Berhalter got the USMNT job, he was Hammarby's head coach for 2 years and then Columbus head coach for 5 years.

    It looks like Cherundolo spent 5-6 years in Germany coaching at the youth level along with a couple short stints as assistant coach with Hannover's and Stuttgart's first team. He didn't get his first adult head coaching gig until 2021 in the USL.
     
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  2. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Does he speak English?
     
  3. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Cherundolo's background in Germany (and later in Las Vegas) involved significant work with youth and reserve teams. It would seem that similar experiences have served Luis de la Fuente and Lionel Scaloni well.
     
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  4. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    thats not how this works

    oh this coach had this experience so if we get a coach with something similar on his resume they are basically the same thing
     
  5. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If that is the case then we are doomed. So stupid to force-feed a single formation across all age groups regardless of the player pool.
     
  6. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK. So you must have been one of the posters calling for GB's removal first cycle and passionately saying he should not be re-hired?
     
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  7. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dolo has already shown at LAFC that he can play a variety of schemes from front foot tika taka to Greek-style bunker and counter.
     
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  8. manfromgallifrey91

    Swansea City
    United States
    Jul 24, 2015
    Wyoming, USA
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Spanish Portuguese and English that I'm aware of.
     
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  9. manfromgallifrey91

    Swansea City
    United States
    Jul 24, 2015
    Wyoming, USA
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know it's out of fashion and harder to play at the NT level but man we got a great diamond 442 squad. Not to derail the thread or anything.

    I'm in total agreement, it's such an odd thing to say formationally we are married to x even if y is better for us now. Conceptually sure you can say we want tiki taka or gegen press or whatever but the flow of the players should adjust some of the tactics based on their skills.
     
  10. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love the idea of a diamond 4-4-2 for our player pool... I think it could be great for a lot of opponents. It could also morph to a 3-5-2 when holding leads or if we need different triangles to pass out of the back. Both of these formations have a #10 position and would finally give a chance for Gio and Tillman to play their best position. But the most important take away here is to NOT run the same stale/predictable lineup every game. It makes it so easy for opponents to plan/prepare for. NT coaches have a disadvantage in that they do not get a lot of time to work with their players but they have often have oceans of time to plan for the upcoming opponents. Ridiculous that you can't craft alternative formation strategies for those you are going up against.
     
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  11. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "The reason he [Berhalter] was hired is that he played one of the most attractive brands of attacking football in the MLS". Lesson learned?

     
  12. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah we would have needed to get him before Brighton did.
     
  13. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    At C'bus, Gregg heavily relied on a CAM, a metronome of a d-mid, and a goal creating 8, all in 4231

    Their front-6 in their 2015 run to the MLS Cup Finals was--

    ---------------------------------------Kamara(26g/6a)
    ---------------Meram(6g/5a)-------Higuain(8g/9a)------Finlay(12g/13a)-----
    ----------------------------Trapp(0g/3a)--------Tchani(6g/5a)-------

    Hiring a 4231 guy to play a dutch-style 4123 was just irresponsible on the part of USSF.
     
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  14. porkrind

    porkrind Member+

    Quakes
    United States
    Sep 27, 2001
    Bostonia
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Huh... And we have the personnel to play 4231 - does the coach really not get to make those decisions?
     
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  15. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    I’m absolutely thrilled with this whole process. It has become so easy over the last few days to identify and mute all the toxic booger-eater usmnt dipshits on Twitter. My thumbs are sore.
     
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  16. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
     
  17. Kirium

    Kirium Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Edmond, OK
    I hope the Fed take their time to do a REAL search. It's been two days.
     
  18. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    well they didn't take two days because Doug McIntyre mentioned cherundolo before greg was even fired and then once he was fired immediately put him as they most likely hire.

    Paul Tenario also talked cherundolo and southgate(knowing there was no chance) immediately on cbs

    those are two 'journalist' with inside access to us soccer. ur not going to hear about anyone being hired until they both put those names out there first.
     
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  19. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    Not sure if this guy has any inside info but he says the list is Klopp, Renard, Cherundolo, in that order:
     
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  20. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    #45 gogorath, Jul 12, 2024
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2024
    Matarazzo would be my #1 pick (realistic division), but like Hurzeler, you simply do not give up those jobs at this stage in your career. It's a terrible career decision with some really awful long term implications.

    Hurzeler has some really interesting tactical ideas but I almost wonder if they are a bit too out there for national team play.
     
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  21. Kirium

    Kirium Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Edmond, OK
    EVERYONE has mentioned Dolo for quite some time. Southgate is connecting dots because of Crocker's work with the FA and the English "DNA" they worked on.

    I'm not questioning the "journalists" mentioning those names, but it's not like it's some great insider information to come up with Dolo and Southgate.
     
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  22. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Matarazzo would be a great hire, I think, but also super unlikely he's coming.

    He coached under Nagelsmann early on at Hoffenheim, got Stuttgart promoted and then staved off relegation, but after getting let go, his successor has done much better.

    He gets another try with Hoffenheim and has a good year -- I just think you need to ride that as long as possible and establish your cred as a good Bundesliga coach. If you left, when do you get another chance?
     
  23. KevinJRogers

    KevinJRogers Member

    New York City FC
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's my dark horse pick, too. He got us promoted from the Zweite Bundesliga and then navigated through two terrifying brushes with relegation with something of a talent deficit. He was shown the door as part of the post-Mislintat housecleaning, but he's done a very respectable job at TSG.

    He has another year left on his contract with Hoffenheim, though. And I'm not sure he'd be at all interested, let alone whether the Federation has even approached him.
     
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  24. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    He'd need to want to take a step back. Otherwise ... why?

    I think Crocker's POV on possession was quite a bit different from Earnie's/early Berhalter. When questioned about the American style of play, he stated the obligatory "aggressive" etc., stuff, but then he got into two interesting specifics.

    One was highlighting holding possession, but to control the flow of the game, the tempo. To kill opposing momentum, to understand when to regroup. And he also highlighted that we needed the American player to understand when to attack out of it -- to be able to recognize the moment a weakness appeared in the defense and ruthlessly attack at that moment.

    That feels quite a bit different than pure possession style, though obviously, it's not eschewing it either. It was also in response, I think, to Crocker reviewing the World Cup.

    I don't think US Soccer goes completely away, but with Earnie gone, I don't know if we go full possession, either.
     
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  25. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I don't think Cherundolo is necessarily wedded to it. The LAFC team was still largely built for Bradley, and in Cherundolo's title year, they basically played like Bradley.

    He's flirted with other stuff, but the team has had star scoring/playmaking wingers in Vela and now Bouanga, so moving away from something like a 433 seems to be pretty dumb. Their secondary threats over the years -- Rossi, Rodriguez, the new 18 year kid they've got now -- are also all wingers.

    Moving away from a winger centric formation simply doesn't make a ton of sense.
     
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