Next Coach 2.0 (2024-26)

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Eleven Bravo, Jul 12, 2024.

  1. PhilipVU94

    PhilipVU94 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jul 6, 2024
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not everyone's calculus is oriented around maximizing trophies. The price for that decent shot at the WC is having to put up with two more years of the English media, which has got to wear on anyone. And I still sense he values sowing more than reaping, building something rather than enjoying the thing built.
     
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  2. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I want a summer place in the Hamptons.
     
  3. Ball Chucking Hack

    Jan 21, 2005
    Raleigh, NC
    Frank De Boer?
     
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  4. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’ve always been a fan, but he’d almost certainly prefer the England job, has expressed interest in it in the past, and will definitely be a candidate.

    I thought he did decently at Chelsea this year but they were as good defensively as they should have been

    [​IMG]

    On a side note the playing style charts for the potential coaches the Athletic has posted for the US and England are super interesting.
     
  5. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the England job wears on a person and is probably one of the more high pressure and high expectation international jobs. Whereas the USMNT job is much lower pressure and lower expectations.

    I think his time with England had also very much run its course as you could see in their tournament performance (which wasn’t great despite making the final).

    He’s also said in the past he wants to coach in the US.
     
  6. Ball Chucking Hack

    Jan 21, 2005
    Raleigh, NC
    Did he say why?
     
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  7. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let me see if I can find the comments but he also didn’t specify it was the USMNT he wanted to manage, just in the US in general.
     
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  8. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    Who were France’s foreign coaches? I thought the answer was zero.
     
  9. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    You absolutely can.

    Playing with the margins that England did and getting the results they did is unsustainable. And you can question whether they actually underachieved with the talent at their disposal, and whether Southgate was way too slow to move on from players who had fallen off.

    The results with England were good, but they pretty clearly should have been better. That they weren't is largely down to Southgate's conservatism.
     
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  10. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    Yeah, that has also been Deschamps’ approach with France, while Pogba has been out. With Pogba, they played a lot less defensively. Good coaches adapt to their player pool, and the players available at a given time.
     
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  11. Ball Chucking Hack

    Jan 21, 2005
    Raleigh, NC
    I understand, and I'm not doubting. I just find it interesting.
     
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  12. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    France didn’t “barely” make the final in 2018. They pretty much dominated the whole tournament, advancing with wins in regulation every time, with no overtime or penalties needed. And putting 4-goal beat downs on Argentina and Croatia (Argentina and Croatia both scored late goals to make the scores look a little closer than they were).

    Or maybe you are thinking of 2022? When France still made the final, despite missing Pogba, Benzema, Kante, and others due to injury. And having most of the team with a virus for the 2022 final.
     
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  13. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think he didn’t get this tournament right but I do think he mostly got the other tournaments right with two exceptions. In the semi against Croatia and final against Italy they went up 1-0 early and went into a shell way too early and I think it costs them both games.

    I think the quarterfinal loss against France in 22 was just bad luck as they outplayed France and its not really on Southgate that Kane missed that penalty.

    But given the historical England performance, two Euro finals and a World Cup semifinal in four tournaments is pretty good.
     
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  14. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh they are hoping for Pep and are even willing to wait for him.



    I actually think Howe is really good but my guess is it’s either Potter or Pochettino. Tuchel is apparently interested too but England not so much.
     
  15. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #390 falvo, Jul 16, 2024
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    Not sure if it's true or not but I also keep reading online that Gareth Southgate will be the new coach of the USMNT....
     
  16. nbarbour

    nbarbour Member+

    Jun 19, 2006
    Washington DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not true. Quite the strawman. But most would be very upset at a Southgate hire. More of the same, and doing less with more. Others have spelt it out in more depth, but he has primarily coasted on easy draws and luck until he meets a team with relatively equal talent.

    I'd take someone like Cherundolo with some upset versus a known mediocre entity like Southgate.
     
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  17. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    has pochettino ever improved a team? im really asking.

    i mean, there has to be a reason he got the tottenham job (and then psg, and then chelsea) i just dont know what it is. ive never cared about any of those teams enough to say they were definitely underachieving, but hes managed a whole lot of talent.

    hes just the coaching equivalent of a bowl of oatmeal to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    somebody tell me how he took river plate from the dregs of the third division and led them back to glory or something...maybe i could muster even a little interest if he won an intertoto cup?
     
  18. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I thought he was doing reasonably well with Tottenham when they canned him.
     
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  19. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    Yeah, I'm pretty anti-England and don't want Southgate for the USMNT. I'm just trying to think of the argument in Southgate's favor. I've made the argument a few times that England has gotten really lucky with draws in the past 6 years too (outside of getting France in the quarters in Qatar), and they were basically the home team for the 2020 Euros.
     
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  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He’ll definitely be a candidate but there’s no way they are close to actually hiring him.
     
  21. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gareths odds just shot up online……. Where there’s smoke…….
     
  22. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    Interesting, where are you seeing these odds?
     
  23. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    To the people wondering why I don't respect World Soccer Talk:

    https://worldsoccertalk.com/news/usmnt-needs-a-better-coach-not-a-steve-yes-man-cherundolo/

    That's the opening line of this "article."

    And more...

    There's literally not a SINGLE example of Cherundolo being a yes man, just a claim that he is one ... and then it degenerates into that Cherundolo will be hired because someone else would lead the charge on pro/rel or single handedly stop pay to play (out of their salary alone?).

    Yet, people will quote this shit. It's worse than Bleacher Report's fan-sourced days.

    Cherundolo wouldn't be my first selection, but this is such a hack article.
     
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  24. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
     
  25. entropy

    entropy Member

    Aug 31, 2000
    People's Republic of Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Southgate to Wrexham, calling it now.
     

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