Next Coach 2.0 (2024-26)

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Eleven Bravo, Jul 12, 2024.

  1. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    It wasn't. I think Berhalter did a pretty good job in his first cycle. And I'm not even willing to put the onus on him completely for the Copa and the blahs before that. But it's pretty common for coaches to lose their ability to strongly affect a team over time, especially from a motivational angle, and it's pretty clear the team needed a level of shakeup that wasn't coming from Berhalter.

    I think he did a good job, but I also think there's a lot of good coaches out there. Moving on from someone where things have gotten stale is often necessary, regardless of how good the coach is. Especially on a team where you can't really change the players.

    I don't think twitter had anything to do with it. I do think there was internal USSF pressure that overlapped with the media.

    But either way, I also think that Berhalter wasn't meeting expectations that he probably largely set. I doubt he would disagree. I'd bet he'd think he could fix it, but in Crocker's role, you have to think what's more likely -- that Berhalter would fix it regardless of whose "fault" it is or that you can find someone more likely.

    It's not about being fair to Berhalter. It's about optimizing the team's performance and progression.

    There's no reason to believe that Pochettino won't take the work seriously. He's a notorious hard worker as a coach -- most of these people are very self motivated and his lack of connection to the US will probably only play a role in things he doesn't want to do (i.e., the admin work). But coach? Yeah, I think he's just a coach. He comes in with a completely different rep than Klinsmann.

    And he's not overrated. There's a very real question of whether his secret sauce for winning works in a national team, but the sheer number of people who are like "yeah but what has me won" tells me that people don't overrate him as a coach. Do people overrate his potential impact? Yeah, people put way too much on the coach. But he's a top coach for a reason.
     
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  2. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
    Club:
    Atlanta
    GGG 2.0 was announced just before a game.
     
  3. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  4. psnotyours

    psnotyours Member

    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    Y'all think its a done deal?
     
  5. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I have always been a fan of the way Marsch communicates. You never get the sense that he is dissembling, which makes what he says more impactful. To me, that's a good quality in a coach.
     
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  6. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    It's all but 99% certain that almost all the terms of the contract have been mostly worked out.
     
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  7. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm 70% sure it's 70% done
     
  8. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Pretty much. But if we only got fullbacks and wingers starting in first divisions, we're going to need Potter, as in Harry Potter, to make that QF run.
     
  9. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Halftime, guaranteed!
     
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  10. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2885 TheHoustonHoyaFan, Sep 6, 2024
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    We hired a very good manager but he can only take us as far as the talent at his disposal allows. The key is he can't do less than the talent at his disposal.
     
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  11. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    There was no way in hell I thought we'd get a coach with the pedigree of Pochettino.
    That is beyond our wildest expectations.

    Will it work? Will he take this team farther at the World Cup than Berhalter did?

    To be determined..............................

    I think what the fans on this board would say is that Berhalter took us as far as he could go. He wasn't going to elevate the program further. So now we roll the dice on a guy that might be able to. If it doesn't work; it doesn't work.

    [By the way, in 25 years I think we'll look at Berhalter's tenure differently. We'll view it as the first stepping stone getting us on the proper trajectory after the 2018 debacle. Just like I think we look at Bob Bradley's tenure differently today than right after he was let go in favor of Klinsmann.]
     
  12. HScoach13

    HScoach13 Member+

    Nov 30, 2016
    Club:
    Atlanta
    "By the way, in 25 years I think we'll look at Berhalter's tenure differently. We'll view it as the first stepping stone getting us on the proper trajectory after the 2018 debacle. Just like I think we look at Bob Bradley's tenure differently today than right after he was let go in favor of Klinsmann.]"

    And where it should have ended was after the World Cup. Nothing he did after that furthered the program.
     
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  13. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Sure. We thought the same thing of Bradley following the 2010 cycle.

    People on the boards from that time remember the vitriol directed at Bob Bradley in his 2nd cycle. Particularly following the 2011 Gold Cup in which we really struggled. We made the final, but really struggled. Scraped by Guadeloupe 1-0 with a fairly loaded roster.

    But now there's enough distance and time gone by to have a different viewpoint of the pool and the landscape. That vitriol has completely died off, and the Bradley era is mostly remembered for the good times of the 2010 cycle. Finishing 1st in our group at the 2010WC and then playing a really close game with Ghana in the Round of 16 (before losing in extra time).

    The same will be true of the Berhalter era. The vitriol will die off and people should remember the Nations League and Gold Cup triumphs. The qualification for the World Cup and making it to the Round of 16. There were actually a lot of good times if people actually took the time to enjoy it.
     
  14. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True but at the time there weren't the choices there are now and it was easy to make him sink or swim and replace after the Copa if he didn't measure up. He didn't and the shorter time frame allowed better candidates. The pool was sort of exposed to which may have been hard for most coaches after a pretty successful WC for such a young team. Usually it's easy to make changes as players age out but not who almost all are so young. I'd add it seems the players are now ready for a change when after the WC they weren't. Should make them much more humble and likely to try new things. We'll see if it actually all worked out pretty ideal or if the idea of having such a good coach doesn't work as good in reality.
     
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  15. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    I appreciated Berhalter grabbing the Nations League title again. True, it didn’t further the program but I’m a fan who mostly lives in the present with the national team. If Mexico regains momentum and racks up a few titles in a row over us I won’t be thrilled.
     
  16. USOutlaw16

    USOutlaw16 Member+

    Green Bay Voyageurs
    United States
    Jan 22, 2011
    On the Gringo Wall of Shame
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  17. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
  18. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    #2893 KALM, Sep 7, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2024
    So listening to this answer:

    Q: Why hasn't anything been officially announced yet by US Soccer?

    A: The short answer is money. Mauricio Pochettino is one of the highest paid coaches in global soccer. He had a 2 year guaranteed contract with Chelsea. The Blues let him go after the first year of that deal. And he needs to be made whole. So it's been Chelsea and US Soccer haggling over who pays what. Neither side wants to spend more than they need to. I believe they have reached a conclusion now. But that's the main reason this has dragged on for so long.


    As I suspected, that indicates there isn't clear language in Pochettino's contract with Chelsea (or any subsequent severance agreement he may have signed) that obligates Chelsea to continue to pay the remainder of what he's owed, or to cover the difference, if he takes another job that doesn't pay as well. Which surprises me a bit, because my understanding is that in a normal contract agreement, as long as everyone is acting reasonably, Chelsea would typically be on the hook for whatever amount is still owed to him that US Soccer isn't paying. Instead, it sounds like Chelsea and USSF are having to haggle over the precise split now.
     
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  19. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Normally, a corporation paying a ton per month and not much time left on the fired manager's contract would jump at the chance to claw some money back. Makes you wonder if squabbles at Chelsea are at issue:
    “Civil war” coming at Chelsea as Todd Boehly prepares £2.5bn bid for full takeover - Yahoo Sports
     
  20. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    I don't know how good our talent is, but it's definitely better than the last year has shown.
     
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  21. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    people asked last week 'when is the cutoff?'

    the end of this window if he doesn't sign....move on
     
  22. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This whole thinks could put a Poch on US Soccer.
     
  23. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    aw rats! another extension!

    who could have seen this coming? and why were they going spain when hes clearly in kc giving some pregame pointers the team he selected, decked out in ussf gear, before he heads up to a luxury box...right?
     
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  24. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why sign Poch when he's already secretly coaching the team for free?



     
  25. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    us soccer media (in blue) introducing poch (far left) to us fans...

    [​IMG]
     
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