Rumor: News/Rumor: 2025 Chicago Fire Roster Speculation

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  1. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    i can see a world where Fede plays the Adams 6/destroyer role in GGG's system

    but he's a bit too hot headed for what it seems like GGG emphasizes

    but like Adams, he's a defensive menace and a below average passer
     
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  2. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Honest question, did GGG have a part in Adams' growth in that role? If so, maybe Fede could benefit similarly as well.
     
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  3. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    i'm hopeful

    like i said, fede is my favorite player -- i'd be thrilled if he could be a regular starter on a good team

    but he's on three more years of a high-dollar deal (not sure how much longer he counts at u22, so could be both a high-dollar and a high-cap hit deal)
     
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  4. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Those players all require buyouts or trades. Different timetable for these.
     
  5. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I would hope there would be SOME team that would take Gimenez for a nominal fee.
    Same with Arnaud.
    Not sure about Mueller. Perhaps sell him for TAM to another MLS squad, if he does not fit in GGG's "plan" (assuming, of course, there is a plan).
     
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  6. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    yes thank you good info
     
  7. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Now, back to side convos about Peter Wilt…
     
  8. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

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    Mar 2, 2007
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    Actually, at $500k base salary 2024, he is not terribly expensive. However, U22 slot is valuable so you want someone who can contribute occupying it.
    People have mentioned a change in coaches might prompt an improvement in him.
    IMO, it is easier to moderate excessive energy than it is to increase energy. He has a good energy level.
     
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  9. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

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    Mar 2, 2007
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    United States
    Very funny
     
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  10. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    if I understand the u22 rules correctly, Fede gets one more year as a u22 player with the lower budget charge and then he’s no longer a u22 player for his final two years
     
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  11. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Another reason to keep him if we can help him mature.
     
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  12. goldclover

    goldclover Member+

    Mar 25, 2010
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    I think everyone on that list of end of contract players is expendable but I would resign for half their salaries Czichos (and try him at cdm), Fede (love this guy but that injury might have taken him out alas), Omsberg, Herbers and Pineda with even Dean for near minimum.
     
  13. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If his level of play was higher, the salary level would not be a problem.
    ( Yes, I know this comment applies to many of our players.)
     
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  14. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

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    #289 schroncar, Oct 11, 2024
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    Pineda under contract through 2026, so no decision there. Czichos at $750k would be something supported by a number of people and would represent meaningful reductions in salary and, even more importantly, salary budget charge.
    He would still need to perform at a satisfactory level. It needs to be a very short term contract.
     
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  15. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    I’d counter that there has been a decent amount of ‘investment’ in the ‘game day experience’…which should foster some of the energy you refer to. Things like the insane torches you can feel the heat from, ‘stars’ breaking the glass, rotation of singers, improved coordination with the DJs, give aways (cowboy hats and hockey jerseys and such instead of one page game day rosters), etc…all of it cost money to try and make the experience better for the folks that paid to attend. Of course, a fun experience is more likely to bring folks back…win(money)-win(more fans/supporters).

    Granted, it appears a large portion of the formal Supporter groups could care less and just stay in the parking lot until after kickoff. And once they come in they come in acting like divorced parents…or worse, they hardly watch the game.

    Baldwin is not going to change that behavior:rolleyes:

    OK…back to the roster conversation!:D
     
  16. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    #291 overlap_old_coach, Oct 12, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2024
    Knowing if GGG will run 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 or wants to run multiple formations would likely influence the choices…

    2024- Czichos, Gutman, Arigoni, Herbers, MHS, Lassiter, Omsberg, Richey, Dean, Casas, Gal, Wootton, Bezerra
    2025- Gimenez, Mueller, Souquet, Gaspar, Navarro, Salquist, Barlow, Oregel



    Keep - unless GGG has a preferred option lined up for his tactics
    Gutman, Arigoni, Herbers, MHS, Lassiter, Omsberg, Richey, Oregel

    Negotiate
    Czichos: 1+1 contract at a lower salary…not sure threshold, depends on other salaries

    Sell
    Gimenez, Navarro, Mueller, Barlow, Bezerra, Wootton…1 DP, 1 U22, 2 SNR, 2CFII OPEN

    Buyout
    Souquet but could be any of the others that is hard to sell…1 SNR OPEN

    Likely End of the chapter, it who knows who GGG likes
    Dean, Casas, Gal, Gaspar…doesn’t matter if the other moves are all made

    1 DP, 1 U22, 3SNR, 2CFII OPEN…1 SNR would be used with DPtag
    2 DP, 1 U22, 2SNR, 2CFII

    7 spots and some work for our new SD to make it happen
     
  17. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

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    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your ideas are interesting but you failed to follow the instructions. Which 5 would you let go by Nov. 27?
     
  18. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    All of that crap is marketing. None of it has anything to do with club and community. It’s game day garbage like the prize in a McDonald’s Happy Meal. I’m sure some people like all that crap, and that’s fine. It’s just got nothing to do with the health of the community or club.

    Burnham Downs (I think that’s what it was called) was a good start. It was a physical meeting space where people could congregate before games. It needed proper leadership, direction, and goals, but it was a good start and an investment in we the people.

    It could have been used long term to help connect people, ideas, and passion for the Fire. It could have had long term positive, foundational benefits for community and culture. Instead it was cut and the money is being used to pay some ‘celebrity’ to break a pice of glass. A weird, random act completely unconnected to anything.

    The Fire should invest in people, not gimmicks. Gimmicks are common and sometimes necessary sales tricks but ultimately we all know they are useless and shallow.
     
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  19. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    On the flip side, I’m not sure I could name five players I would keep.
     
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  20. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
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    That was my first thought.

    Brady
    Gutierrez
    Cuypers
    MHS
    ...and?!?

    Frankly, MHS is easily replaceable.
     
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  21. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    That was my exact list. And while keeping versatile players like Herbers and Pineda is good at the right price, they’re also replaceable.
     
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  22. Arigoni (28 appearances/25 starts), MHS (26/22), Herbers (30/24), Lassiter (26/25), Mueller (26/14), Pineda (20/10), & Souquet (25/20) are all squad players on a contender AT BEST. Only MHS, Pineda, & Souquet are under contract for 2025. While it might be tough to dump Souquet's contract, the other 3 who are out of contract are very replaceable and easy to upgrade.
     
  23. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Given the MLS rules, the contracts currently in force and the practical limit dictated by the time necessary to acquire new players, advice to keep only Cuypers, Brady and Gutierrez is pretty worthless.
    I thought some of you might be interested in discussing this topic and that your input might be helpful to the new coach. Apparently I was wrong on both counts.
     
  24. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank you for your thoughts. ( Mueller also under contract for 2025).
     
  25. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Everyone is ‘replaceable’, duh :rolleyes:

    But it ain’t that simple…

    Well, I’m hoping there are already some deals in motion…the calendar deadlines have been known, Heitz had already been shopping Gimenez, Souquet, etc, and GGG has likely had a good look at it all.

    As well as, I don’t think there is a roster rule driving a need to achieve the 5 open spots (DP, DP/U22, 2 promotions from
    Fire II slots, 1 to get rid of “spot 31”)…the compliance date is in the spring.

    So, I still say…
    Release
    Dean, Casas, Gal, Gaspar 4 OPEN

    Those can be done by the Nov deadline…

    And during the off season…
    Buyout
    Souquet (but could be any of the others that have no leads)…1 OPEN

    Sell
    Gimenez, Navarro, Mueller, Barlow, Bezerra, Wootton…1 DP, 1 U22, 2 SNR, 2CFII OPEN
     
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