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  1. TheVisualizer

    TheVisualizer Member

    Jul 14, 2010
    West Chester, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    that's pretty scary, let's hope our backline stays healthy, specifically the fullbacks as I'm not sure I'd like to see either of the Farfan's out there running around on defense quite yet...
     
  2. christie3

    christie3 Member

    Dec 13, 2007
    Rising Sun, MD
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would think Okugo would start at back up over them if one of our defenders is out
     
  3. William Penn

    William Penn Member+

    Jul 2, 2010
    Bethlehem
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    @Visualizer: Seconded, I don't feel too safe about playing rookies out of position in defense.
     
  4. JamesonSoB

    JamesonSoB Member

    Jan 9, 2009
    Reading, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    sounds like richter has come in and taken the place of toni stahl. i wonder if richter went to the cobra kai academy as well.
     
  5. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's as if the team has these boards bugged ...

    Five Questions the Union Face in 2011
     
  6. buzzkiller23

    buzzkiller23 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Glenolden, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. TheVisualizer

    TheVisualizer Member

    Jul 14, 2010
    West Chester, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    yeah I forgot about that, but still Okugo doesn't have a ton of experience playing D either, just this summer overseas if I remember right, so it's not that much of an upgrade over Richter experience-wise.
     
  8. angryhugo

    angryhugo Member

    Aug 2, 2005
    Philly Phorever
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...especially since the Toni Stahl Experience went so well
     
  9. OldRetiredCoach

    Feb 22, 2003
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So... how much time is left on the off-season countdown clock?
     
  10. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. Coonpath

    Coonpath Member

    Jun 24, 2010
    Shamong, NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    From the Union's twitter today:

    Nowak: The Greece camp was focused on tactics because the roster was much closer to being set.

    Nowak: There was some kind of "initiation" for the rookies in Greece. No further elaboration

    Nowak: The club really came together in Greece. New players, both rookies and other acquisitions, have assimilated extremely well.

    Nowak: The club needs to start the season "the right way" in Houston. It will be a "very difficult game."

    Nowak: The Union must limit Houston's set pieces around the area. (Both HOU goals at Robertson Stadium last year were off set pieces.)

    Nowak: There are 2 defenders not on the roster who could still join the club. Also rostered non-defenders with flexibility to play defense.

    Nowak: The club is "relaxed but focused" heading into the first match of the season Saturday vs. @HoustonDynamo

    Nowak: The club needs to "improve dramatically" on the road in 2011.


    Interesting... I wonder who the 2 are??
     
  12. ScottK.

    ScottK. Member

    Sep 13, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gabriel Farfan, who has played at right back, is probably one. Other could be Keon Daniel.

    They aren't really defenders but the team has used them in defensive positions during the preseason.
     
  13. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully he's not just blowing smoke up our collective ass. The only non-rostered/unsigned players we have confirmation of are Houapeu and Gabriel Farfan (Keon Daniel's name hasn't been uttered by the team) ... I guess the other half of the wonder twins could be as flexible as Michael and play D in a pinch, but I'm hoping for guys who are natural defenders.

    Less than a month until the window closes.
     
  14. chapka

    chapka Member+

    May 18, 2004
    Haverford, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think American soccer coaches are finally starting to realize what baseball coaches have already known: youth position (and even college position) don't always translate into pro position.

    If you have the ball skills and speed to be a top-flight pro, you would probably be the best left back on your youth team or the best center back or the best winger or the best number ten. But the odds are you're going to play on the offensive side of the ball, because youth coaches want the best player to get the most shots on goal. (Unless you're tall, of course; the tallest player has to be the keeper.)

    All of which means, playing forward at the youth level doesn't mean you're a "natural" forward; it just means you're one of the best players on your youth team. I think Shea Salinas is a good example: he's small, fast and has a good right foot, so he played on the wing, but when Nowak put him at right back I think he was more effective and more useful there. If he'd embraced that position, instead of complaining about it, I think he'd still be on the team.
     
  15. olmy

    olmy New Member

    Jul 28, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Not to add fuel to the panic...just posted on twitter by Faryd Mondragon...not a good sign with two youngsters as the backup.

    in Dr. Mathews office with pain in my knee, little bit worried but confident the "magician" will make me feel good as new!!!
     
  16. unholyunion

    unholyunion Member

    Jan 21, 2011
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's giving him Charlie Sheen
     
  17. OldRetiredCoach

    Feb 22, 2003
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  18. olmy

    olmy New Member

    Jul 28, 2010
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Crisis over ...latest tweet:
    just walked out from the "magician's" office, 80% of the pain is gone, hopefully tomorrow i am 100% fit, thanks Dr. Mathews!!!

    One man's doc is another's chiropractor...we all can breath now!
     
  19. unholyunion

    unholyunion Member

    Jan 21, 2011
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  20. Zman Gunner

    Zman Gunner BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 7, 2003
    Middletown, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This scenario is one option (Daniel & Farfan) as midfielder Gabriel Farfan as been confirmed as a trialist left back in the Michael Farfan article on the Union website while his twin brother has played right back along with Richter. Daniel seems to be playing LM when Mapp sits and that LM/LCM role is one that he typically plays for club and country - he may have been tried at LB in one of the scrimmages for which game info has even less than usual.

    The other scenario is that the team could be looking to acquire at least one defender who does not require a trial and thus would not be in camp until Philly actually acquires him. The trialist thing usually happens with out-of-contract players - Philly could be acquiring (buying or getting via a loan deal) a player directly from another team similar to like when Gonzalez was acquired in mid-season in a somewhat surprise of a signing. That deal was not the usual prolonged, hardly secretive signings that we have seen with Ruiz, Mondragon, Valdes, Torres, etc. when everyone knows that they are signing with the team ... and then the team officially announces their signings to no one's surprise. When Orozco Fiscal left, it may have jump-started the efforts perhaps already underway by Gutierrez to bring in another defender - perhaps the Colombian sports press readings by Union fans may increase in the coming weeks leading up to the close of the transfer window.;)
     
  21. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thing is, G. Farfan has only been confirmed as being in-camp by the team's site, not by Nowak, nor the rest of the technical staff.
     
  22. Zman Gunner

    Zman Gunner BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 7, 2003
    Middletown, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The technical staff is bound by the "in accordance with team policy, the Union do not comment on players who are not under contract with the team" motto. Given the watered-down content which usually comprises the articles on the team's website, the communications staff is likely bound to the same motto as well which is why the mention of Gabriel Farfan as a trialist seems to indicate that he would be signed at some point soon (perhaps right before the Houston game so the Dynamo have no clue as to scouting some tapes of him in the event that he [1] sits on the bench as a reserve and [2] he actually plays).

    We all know that the team operates in this secretive mode in terms of providing information but even how they approach pre-season (the Union are the only team that did not play at least one other MLS team in pre-season) - it is completely their choice even if fans would like it better if they operated like many other MLS teams which actually provide full pre-season game reports with line-ups, stream pre-season games on their website, provide practice reports and videos, provide trialist news, etc.). They also use a secretive approach with the MLS gameday previews where the projected starting line-up provided by the team rarely resembles the actual line-up that will be used. While folks could argue that it gives the Union a slight competitive advantage by holding back this info, any pro team that even just had an intern doing its scouting could figure out the likely Union line-up each week.

    At the end of the day, their secretive approach is nothing over which to lose any sleep and does not affect supporting the team once they actually start playing regular season games but other MLS teams have proven that they can win championships yet still using a more open approach to providing info to both the press and the fans.
     
  23. sully127

    sully127 Member

    Apr 3, 2010
    138, C
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As frustrating as it is, I sometimes think it makes them more interesting and gives us a lot more fodder for discussion and debate.
     
  24. Zman Gunner

    Zman Gunner BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 7, 2003
    Middletown, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. Dills

    Dills Moderator
    Staff Member

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Jun 6, 2006
    Southampton|PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Limited Defensive Corps No Problem for Union

    So is this the first time we're reading/hearing Daniel's name being revealed as a trialist from an official league/team article?
     

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