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Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by Bonnie Lass, Jan 26, 2009.

  1. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What the 2022 schedule looks like so far:



    Also looking ahead to 2023, Cone just mentioned in the USSF Board meeting that she expects the WWC in Australia to have a vaccine mandate.
     
  2. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    If the pandemic does not go away or does not change dramatically that would be Australia showing good judgement. But the WWC is a long way off and what we "expect" or "know" today could have no relationship to the world as it will be in 2023.
    It is even possible that a 100% cure for COVID will be found or, almost equally possible, COVID could mutate to where no vaccine even slows it down.

    The men's WC will come late next year and the experiences there will give a better picture of what could be coming for the WWC. The number of people wanting to travel for the men's WC is much greater than we most optimistically can expect for the women's WC and the MWC is coming sooner and it will be held in a MUCH different country. Qatar is about as unlike Australia/New Zealand as any country could be and if FIFA can pull it off there in spite of the pandemic then they should find the WWC much easier.

    In normal times the world is a confusing, dangerous and unpredictable place and these are about as far from "normal times" as we can get unless there is a alien invasion of Earth. I wonder if COVID could be...
     
  3. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You surely are not referring to the number of fans from the US. Or are you suggesting that you expect more than 35,000 fans from the US will go to Qatar (if the US men qualify)?
     
  4. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    No I am referring to total travel. The US' interest in either the men's or the women's soccer WC is small when compared to other countries.

    However the total fans traveling to Qatar will be very high if travel is allowed and if Qatar has open borders at the time. Personally I would not travel to an oppressive country like Qatar under any circumstances but I am not the normal fan at all.

    And don't call me Shirley. ;)
     
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  5. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree with you except that US interest in the women's WC appears to exceed that of other countries, at least based on attendance at the 2019 WC.
     
  6. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    I think it's been 2 WCs in a row on the men's side (yes, including the one we didn't qualify for) where the United States was represented as #2 (with the host nation being #1) for ticket sales.

    I'm sure someone will fact-check that. It might even be more. Point being that it seems an odd argument indeed to contend that "the US' interest in the...WC is small when compared to other countries." For that to be remotely true, the US would have to be well down the list.
     
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  7. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    That says more about our affluence than it does about soccer support. We can afford to travel and the world cups make good excuses.

    I just do not really see that Americans have much support for soccer overall. Most just see soccer as something for kids to do until they grow up and can play "real" sports.
     
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  8. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Wait, you think that huge numbers of Americans go see a sport they supposedly hate because it's an excuse to travel? That's some good pretzeling.

    You appear to be stuck in the 90s.
     
  9. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    No. What i said means that we, in the US, are rich and the fans of soccer can afford to travel and the WC gives and excuse for those richer fans to travel.

    Nope. I've just been watching the bad soccer that mostly shows up in the NWSL and the very low attendance of most matches. I also have still seen very few kids progress from kid's soccer even to the wasteland of college soccer.

    Yes, the MLS seems to be a success but I very much suspect that most people in MLS stands are from, one or two generations removed, outside the US. That is not bad it is just that it shows that many people that support soccer do not see their roots in the US.

    The NWSL looks like a failing league that is only holding on because of people thinking it should. But an average attendance of less than 10,000 (actually it appears that it is less than 9,000) is not a formula for success. I hope the level of play in the NWSL improves but, so far, it has actually dropped since the start of the league. The NWSL looks like an advanced rec league and that will not drive soccer in the US. Maybe the low level of NWSL play is one reason we are falling back to the rest of the world in women's soccer.

    Men's soccer may continue to do OK but, in league play level and attendance, the women's side is woefully lacking. When the NWSL lost, or never had, as many foreign players as the WUSA had the level of play dropped a lot. The games (level of play) were mostly much better in the WUSA than they are now in the NWSL. The WUSA failed because of poor management not because of poor play but the NWSL may fail because the poor play will not put butts in the seats more than once or twice. We, in the US, have better and more enjoyable ways to use our money than watching the bad soccer the NWSL currently provides.
     
  10. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    Surely, we are the only rich nation!

    I hate to break this to you, but this does not represent the sum-total of soccer fandom in the United States.

    Listen, back when I was growing up in the '90s, I could not have POSSIBLY imagined what is going on now w.r.t. soccer in the US. That doesn't mean I don't see what has actually happened. I encourage you to advance 30 years.

    I don't disagree that this particular aspect of soccer in the country is basically just holding on with few prospects for improvement. But again, not the sum-total

    Again, you're looking at a small portion of things and making broad conclusions based on it.
     
  11. JanBalk

    JanBalk Member+

    Jun 9, 2004
    Uppsala, Sweden
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    I wonder why so many American is so often completly unable to get the concept per capita when it come to positive things and so fast to refer to it when it is something negativ. Always count gun deaths per capita but fans or international aid never as an example.

    That USA have four times the population of the most popolated western Eropean country MAY have something to do with the numbers of fans going to a WC from each.
     
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  12. Timon19

    Timon19 Member+

    Jun 2, 2007
    Akron, OH
    This would be a great point if the argument was "how popular is soccer in one country relative to another in terms of WC ticket sales", but it's not.

    This was what I replied to: "The US' interest in either the men's or the women's soccer WC is small when compared to other countries." Even given relative population size, calling US interest "small" is the height of silliness.

    Further, there is a perhaps an implied and historical argument here that non-Americans don't understand: the US is a sports-mad society, but soccer still occupies a relatively low position (despite the tremendous gains) and there are many cultural headwinds against it...including FanofFutbol's own incorrect argument in this case!
     
  13. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2021 USSF Player of the Year nominees have been announced:

    Female Player of the Year nominees: Horan, Lavelle, Lloyd, Naeher, Rapinoe

    Young Female Player of the Year nominees: Fishel, Fox, Howell, Macario, Rodman
     
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  14. Smallchief

    Smallchief Member+

    Oct 27, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I think the young player of the year is Rodman. No contest. For player of the year, I would go with Horan who led the US team in minutes played and had 6 goals and 5 assists.

    But I suspect the player of the year will be Carli Lloyd-- and I don't have too many problems with that. She led the U.S. team in goals with 11.
     
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  15. jackdoggy

    jackdoggy Member+

    May 16, 2014
    Big D
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. Philipp Morgenstern

    Manchester United
    Australia
    Oct 30, 2021
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  17. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    May 4, 2002
    I have no qualms about playing the WWC qualifiers in Mexico. Mexico is no longer a good team.

    Even with the slightly falling level of play the USWNT is still no worse than #2 in CONCACAF. Even though there was an anomalous qualifying tournament once it is VERY unlikely that the US and Canada will be any worse than numbers 1 and 2. After those two there is a huge gap down to either Mexico or Costa Rica. (I might be misremembering which countries are three and four as once you get past US and Canada there is no longer any team that should have any chance to beat either of the top two.

    Mexico was once good and looked like they might continue to improve but the number of top notch player moving into and through their system dropped a lot.

    But we play the matches on the field not on stat sheets so we will just have to see what actually happens.

    I actually very much wish CONCACAF was better overall in women's soccer. It would force the US to continue to improve. One of the reasons the US has fallen back a bit is that there are nearly no teams, except Canada, that we can regularly play without too much travel that even give the US a challenge.
     
  18. Philipp Morgenstern

    Manchester United
    Australia
    Oct 30, 2021
    But Mexico just recently beat and drew against half of Canada's Olympic team in a friendly, so an upset isn't out of the question. Add to that playing in a hostile atmosphere at altitude and growth of the Womens league in Mexico. It's certain Mexico will at least come third and challenge for for the Olympic play-in in 2023, but we shouldn't just assume a USA vs Canada final either.
     
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  19. jackdoggy

    jackdoggy Member+

    May 16, 2014
    Big D
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The United States Department of State has suggested the following headgear for the USWNT and their fans who will be in attendance in Guadalajara.
    4SH.jpg
     
  20. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Yeah was surprise to see how well Mexico did against Canada.
     
  21. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #3821 hotjam2, Dec 10, 2021
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2021
    Guardian's top 100 women's footballers of 2021 list is out
    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...100-best-female-footballers-in-the-world-2021
    with four players in the top 10, Spain are the new hipsters of Europe(sort of the Jackdoggy of our forum). Americans are well represented with 14( most from any countries), but mainly to mid & lower tier(S Mewis highest at #20, though she did win the 'prestigous' ESPN award as #1)and give them credit for recognizing beyond our past Olympics/over-the-hill squad by picking Hatch-Rodman-Purce-Pugh-Macario

    and yeah, I got to acknowlege the sad departure of Alex Morgan from this list(somehow it will never be the same with out ya)
     
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  22. JanBalk

    JanBalk Member+

    Jun 9, 2004
    Uppsala, Sweden
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    It is Barcelona that is the flavour of the month (or year) almost half of the top 16 are Barcelona players, that there are a massive number of Spanish WNT on the list just follows.
     
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  23. Smallchief

    Smallchief Member+

    Oct 27, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    As always the list is ridiculously Euro-centric. We don't have a perfect way to compare European and U.S. teams, but NC won the 2018 Women's International Champions Cup (WICC) over Lyon and came in second to Lyon in 2019. In 2021 Portland won the WICC and Barcelona, the flavor of the month, came in 3rd.

    And 3 of the top 4 teams in the 2021 Olympics were not European. Do you think maybe the US, Canada, and Australia deserve a bit more than the crumbs on this list?
     
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  24. CookieRules

    CookieRules Member

    N/a
    United States
    Jul 1, 2021
    Barca is the new Lyon. Spain is the new France. I don't worry about Spain.
     
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  25. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Houston almost beat Barca as well.
     
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