Newfoundland independence?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by pmannion, May 9, 2003.

  1. pmannion

    pmannion Member
    Staff Member

    Apr 13, 2001
    Newfoundland
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/05/08/nfld_union030508

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20030508.ucons0508/BNStory/National/

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20030507.UNFLDN/TPStory

    Lots of people are saying Newfoundland and Labrador should opt out of Canada all together. The fish don't concern me, there really aren't any left. What does concern me is control of our oil resources. 80% of the revenue from the many rigs off the Newfoundland coast goes to the federal government, and that is quite a bit of money. Newfoundland is an island with the same natural resources as Iceland, and yet our standard of living is so much less. With proper management, we could be much better off as a free and independent state. Canada is currently taking alot more than it is giving, and people are finally realizing this. There isn't enough support for an official seperation movement yet, however if Canada continues to screw us like this, that could change very quickly.
     
  2. joseph pakovits

    joseph pakovits New Member

    Apr 29, 1999
    fly-over country
    Lucien Bouchard to the white courtesy phone, plea... er, I mean... Lucien Bouchard au téléphone blanc de courtoisie, svp.

    Say, isn't there also a separatist movement in Saskatchewan. What are you guys drinking up there?
     
  3. Desigol

    Desigol New Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    County Tyrone, NI
    I saw a Yahoo profile of a man who wanted Newfoundland to be independent and he said "We're sick of Canada screwing us up". I'm not so sure. The issue of Provinces wanting to leave Canada has dogged the nation for ages. Maybee the Federal Government can ensure that all Provinces are represented in a fair manner.
     
  4. pmannion

    pmannion Member
    Staff Member

    Apr 13, 2001
    Newfoundland
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    One of the problems is that Newfoundland used to be a country. We only voted in to confederation in 1949, and many say that election was fixed. It was a 51-49 majority. It's hard to go from having complete control over all of your resources to having to surrender 80% of your revenue. Many Newfoundlanders feel as though we should get better treatment than other provinces, that was actually in the original deal - that Newfoundland would remain 'semi-independent'. But that deal was forgotten, and we foolishly sold all the hydroelectric power in Labrador to Québec for almost nothing, so the feelings of resentment grew and grew... They subsided recently, but the closure of the fishery has re-aroused those feelings. I think we have a legal right to do something, 'cause we were guarenteed some freedoms which have not been granted to us in recent times. It's possible we could legally declare our independence, but I'm not certain.
     
  5. Owen Gohl

    Owen Gohl Member

    Jun 21, 2000
    Like most people, I've never been to Newfoundland. Did you see "The Shipping News?" If so, what did you think of it.
     
  6. pmannion

    pmannion Member
    Staff Member

    Apr 13, 2001
    Newfoundland
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    It certainly wasn't the most accurate representation of Newfoundland life. It made Newfoundland out to be a very lonely, isolated, and perhaps even strange place. It's not that different from anywhere else, and the weather certainly isn't as bad as the film made it out to be!
    However, I have never lived in an outport, and life there is very different from living in St. John's. I would imagine that the outports do get somewhat lonely. Especially in the winter.
     
  7. Blitzz Boy

    Blitzz Boy Member

    Apr 4, 2002
    The West Side
    So would an independent Newfoundland be in NAFTA?

    Some US administration (Clinton? Bush 41?) threatened Quebec with a long process to get into NAFTA if they split off.

    Maybe Newfoundland should be independent. Any place with a time zone that is a half an hour off probably should be.

    But can you imagine that Newfoundland national team's first visit to Victoria Street? Can you say "Australia-American Samoa?"
     
  8. OldIowaFootie

    OldIowaFootie Member

    May 22, 2002
    Davenport, IA
    I would think that the discussion over Quebec separatism would have shed some light on this. If I recall, some kind of process was envisioned as acceptable.

    On a related topic, I would think that if Quebec ever does leave Canada causing the country to be split in two, then the Atlantic provinces would be seriously "de-stabilized" - maybe Newfoundland resumes independance, maybe New Brunswick becomes the 51st state, etc.
     
  9. Michael K.

    Michael K. Member

    Mar 3, 1999
    There or Thereabouts
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...then the Canadiens are really going to be fucked for a nickname, no?

    And if Newfoundland goes, who are the rest of the the Canadians going to make jokes about?
     
  10. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah, they'll probably just change "Les Habitants"

    http://www.indefual.net/canada/jokes/rant-prov.html#newfoundland
     
  11. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But, but, you get free health care (sputter, sputter)...
     
  12. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Oh, come on. It is not a good reason to leave a nation just because you give billions to the federal government more than you get. I mean, California sends more than $60 billion to the rest of America every year and you don't see us seceding.

    Wait a minute..
     
  13. Daniel from Montréal

    Aug 4, 2000
    Montréal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    "Canadien" used to refer to the French-speakers of North America. Remember that Canada started as Nouvelle-France...
     
  14. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    We'd prefer not to, if you don't mind.
     
  15. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

    CanPL
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    YEG-->YYJ-->YWG-->YYB
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Do what every other Newfie has done.

    Pack up and move to Alberta.:D
     
  16. pmannion

    pmannion Member
    Staff Member

    Apr 13, 2001
    Newfoundland
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Re: Re: Newfoundland independence?

    Funny, I don't personally know any Newfoundlanders that have moved to Alberta. I know of them, but no one I know personally has ever gone...
     
  17. pmannion

    pmannion Member
    Staff Member

    Apr 13, 2001
    Newfoundland
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Although I do know several Albertans who have moved here.
     

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