New trade in the works? Possible workaround to get Alecko?

Discussion in 'New York Red Bulls' started by patrickdavila, Dec 31, 2002.

  1. patrickdavila

    patrickdavila Member

    Jan 13, 1999
    Easton, PA
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. ToddP25

    ToddP25 Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Richmond, VA
  3. subbuteo

    subbuteo New Member

    Dec 17, 2002
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Armas to DC
    Williams to Fire
    Eskandarian/#1 pick to MetroS
     
  4. patrickdavila

    patrickdavila Member

    Jan 13, 1999
    Easton, PA
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. Metrosuccess

    Metrosuccess Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stewart would like nice in a Metro Star jersey(not kit) but failing to fit his $ in I'd take Vaca for an allocation any day as he at least has a track record in MLS.
     
  6. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Speculation, rumor, or fact? Hell, I'd do this in less than a heartbeat.
     
  7. subbuteo

    subbuteo New Member

    Dec 17, 2002
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's my expert opinion

    :D
     
  8. patrickdavila

    patrickdavila Member

    Jan 13, 1999
    Easton, PA
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Stewart has said he wants to go to a warm location. Granted Jersey is hot & humid in the summertime but I wouldn't call it a warm climate :)
    Vaca - what's not to like: 20 year old who runs the entire game, passes well, will take a shot if it presents itself. He burned us for a couple this past year.
    We need a mixture of seasoned/proven vets as well as some young guns.
     
  9. luvdagame

    luvdagame Member+

    Jul 6, 2000
    quote:
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    Originally posted by subbuteo
    Armas to DC
    Williams to Fire
    Eskandarian/#1 pick to MetroS
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    the fire get squat in such a trade. williams is a downgrade from armas. are they that squeezed by the cap?

    now dc and new york - mouthwatering if it goes through.
     
  10. Gamblor

    Gamblor New Member

    May 17, 1999
    It must be about Cap space if it happens. Armas makes $270K and Williams makes $100K (he may re-sign for less). That $170K in savings may allow them to keep Josh Wolff (if that's what they are trying to do).
     
  11. Gamblor

    Gamblor New Member

    May 17, 1999
    I would love for this to happen if we get to keep our #2 pick as well. Then the draft is a no-brainer:

    #1 - Alecko Eskandarian
    #2 - Ricardo Clark - best def. mid. in the draft. Starting U20 Def. Mid. Talked about by MLS Scouts as being a player ready to start in MLS right now.
     
  12. cmonaco

    cmonaco New Member

    Feb 21, 1999
    Montreal/NYC
    Don't expect Metro to end up with the #1 and #2 picks in the draft. Their current strategy is to end up with Vaca, Alecko, and hopefully another draft pick somewhere in the first/early second round. To do this, they would like to part with just the Williamses (Andy and Richie) and the "allocation", plus maybe some minor talent or "future considerations".

    Any trade with DC would probably involve switching the #1 and #2 picks.
     
  13. Michael K.

    Michael K. Member

    Mar 3, 1999
    There or Thereabouts
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like it. Vaca and Alecko give us a future to look forward to (Joselito won't count against the foreigner limit for a few more years either, will he?), yet can still contribute in the near-term. Dallas people say Vaca's a bit of a headcase, but he'll have his compatriot Moreno there - provided his head is screwed on straight, that's a good thing.

    What about that Ian Joy fella for left back?
     
  14. Speedball

    Speedball Member

    Feb 27, 1999
    Harrison Stadium
  15. jeffenbauer

    jeffenbauer Member

    Jul 17, 2002
    dallas, tx
    Vaca was moved to transitional international before last season. Given the amount of playing time he had last year, he may get moved to a full int'l.
     
  16. Metrogo

    Metrogo Member

    Apr 6, 1999
    Washington Hghts NY
    Just a side note... if Chicago is that squeezed, the league has to do something to allow players who get established at a team and play with that team for a certain number of years, to stay with those teams. There has to be some cap relief in those instances. Chicago and D.C. in earlier years have done much to develop very good talent. They shouldn't be penalized for that.

    OK continue
     
  17. bofahey

    bofahey Member

    Sep 1, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Armas to DC... maybe.
    Williams to Fire... maybe.

    But there's no way the rest of the deal would simply be #1 to NY. That means the MetroStars would be trading ABMOD straight-up for the #1 pick. If the #2 pick were to then head to DC or CHI... I could see this happening. Otherwise, keep dreaming.
     
  18. subbuteo

    subbuteo New Member

    Dec 17, 2002
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    good point. A pick to DC and/or to Chicago and it's a done deal.

    But personally, I was hoping to see Eski in a DC United uniform.
     
  19. Gamblor

    Gamblor New Member

    May 17, 1999
    I'm not expecting it, but I am hoping for it.

    If it happens, it doesn't sound like it will come through DC directly but through Chicago.

    -DC trades #1 pick to Chicago for Armas.
    -Metros trade R. Williams + something to Chicago for the #1 pick.

    Maybe that something is the #2 pick, but if it is then we gave up too much when we traded the #5 pick for R. Williams.

    Or maybe that something is Mark Lisi or a future draft pick (2004). I'm hoping for this scenario.

    Then you have our Allocation + A. Williams to Dallas for Vaca, with Dallas picking up E. Stewart.

    Of course, then Dallas will be in Cap trouble, so maybe Zarco Rodriguez is on his way out.
     
  20. cjschlos

    cjschlos Member

    Jan 21, 1999
    New York
    I like most of your thinking except when you get to the dallas part...why would we have to give up A. Williams and an Allocation for Vaca, if the allocation is for ES then doesn't Dallas get the better end of the deal right there....I would rather have ES then Vaca at least for next season...a couple years down the road it could be a different story
     
  21. Dan R

    Dan R New Member

    Jun 1, 1997
    Metro
    I suggest you say that on the DC board then.
     
  22. patrickdavila

    patrickdavila Member

    Jan 13, 1999
    Easton, PA
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This story is generating quite a buzz on the DC and Chicago boards as well. I have to agree that the only way this would happen is if we give up a later pick. I can't see ABMOD straight up for the #1 pick happening.
     
  23. tmas

    tmas Member

    Dec 30, 2002
    so you guys really want alecko that bad???
     
  24. Speedball

    Speedball Member

    Feb 27, 1999
    Harrison Stadium
    As a DC fan, you wouldn't trade ABMOD for the #1 pick in the draft?

    Go back to the DC boards, their "Word Association Thread" is more up your alley.
     
  25. terp fan

    terp fan New Member

    Nov 21, 2000
    Moving on....

    Get over it, Alecko will be with United for several years so New Yorkers can still see him play just not wearing the Metro's shirt.
    This guy is not a savior but he is the best player available in the draft and DCU knows that, it's a done deal.
     

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