New to EPL, World-Class Football

Discussion in 'Premier League: News and Analysis' started by jrbeaton, Feb 28, 2003.

  1. jrbeaton

    jrbeaton New Member

    Feb 27, 2003
    NC, USA
    I'm an American who just added Fox Sportsworld on my satellite subscription. I've really enjoyed finally being able to watch games from the EPL, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, etc., but I've got lots of questions about how things work in and among the different European leagues and tournaments.

    I'll try to get terms and names right, but please forgive me if I get something wrong-- I am new to this. If there's a FAQ that would answer these questions, please let me know.

    o I understand a bit about "relegation" where the bottom few teams drop down to the next lower level. I'd love to see some American sports use the concept-- it would force teams to keep trying to be competitive. My question is what happens to the players on these "relegated" teams the next season? Do they have to play at the lower level? Or can they be released from their contracts? Is being stuck in the lower level just part of their punishment?

    o How do these other competitions like the Champions' League, FA Cup, and UEFA Cup fit into things? Do games from these just get played during the regular league season? Which games do fans and players take most seriously? Do the teams and players care about these other games more or less than the EPL games?

    o How do player "loans" work? Can they only happen between teams in different divisions? I thought I just saw something about an EPL player being loaned to a lower division team for a month. Do the lower division teams get players loaned to them by middle-of-the-pack EPL teams so that the lower teams can try to get promoted? Do those players hate that? Does this happen often?

    And the big (loaded) question...

    o For which team should I pull? Manchester United seems to have a lot of players that I recognize, but I don't think I could ever be a fan. I hate the New York Yankees, Dallas Cowboys, and Los Angeles Lakers; and they seem to be very similar. Can anyone familiar with American sports compare some of the EPL teams to American teams? I'm a long-suffering Boston Red Sox fan. Does the EPL have a similarly cursed team that always plays well enough to keep you hoping, but never actually wins "the big one"?


    Thanks,
    JRB
     
  2. ALIX

    ALIX New Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    uk
    hi,i'll try to be brief firstly support man utd i do and we'r global now!!!!!!
    second when a team gets relegated the club must decide who to keep/ sell to other clubs OR the players may ask to be put on transfer list so as to move and play at higher level.
    all champ league and other comps are played alongside normal league games in the season hence
    some clubs will play 70 matches during a season.
    LOANS:any club can loan out a player to any club
    europe or uk with of course that players permmision.
    normal e.g. a reserve prem lge player to a lower club BUT does'nt have to be.the recieving club pays the wage of course.
    players dont hate it it gives a chance to get match practice and they dont HAVE to agree!
    dont happen a lot but not unusual if you get my drift.
    i think sometimes all clubs FLATTER TO DECIEVE even the mighty man utd!!!!!!!!!
    hope this helps........
     
  3. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    Supporting Man Utd is not like other clubs, they are a worldwide corporation not a football team. If you like the neverending wins, they're your best bet. But that isn't what football is all about. I can't recommend a team because it is such a momentous decision (i'm not joking).

    As for the order of importance. The EPL and champions League are top, the FA cup and UEFA cup, then the Worthington cup. But you want to win as much as possible, even the worthington has gained a bit of crediblity this season.
     
  4. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Of course they have to play, they are the team. Some may be sold others may be released on a free (the crap ones). Just because a team drops down a division does not mean the players have any right to be released from their contract. Remember, The Premiership is not the be all and end all of English football.
     
  5. ALIX

    ALIX New Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    uk
    comme

    HI COMME. no your wrong about utd i'v supported them for 40years its not always been like the last ten years!
    we got relegated in 1974 ithink it was (i try to forget that)
    our achievements since returning to the top flight straight away i may add... have been slow but magnificent, cullminating in the last 10years.
    but during the seventies and early eighties there was no real success BUT in the end CREAM WILL
    ALWAYS RISE TO THE TOP.
     
  6. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    You don't need to tell me that Alix but at the moment united are the most successful team. Of course if someone had started supporting Livepool in 1990 they must have thought they were on a winner. How wrong they were, but with the increase in money in the game and united's preeminance it is ificult to see them suffering a great deal of failure in the future. The thing with football is that you don't appreciate the success until you've hadthe bad times. if you've supported united that long then you've had a fair whack of failure, but most of the new fans don't know what it is.
     
  7. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    BTW if you like to support a club that is very exciting then Man city are your team. Great going forward, shocking at the back, they've been promoted or relegated in each of the last 6 seasons and have a hardcore of support like no other team.
    Spurs always think we are on the verge of something and it never comes but we have a good go in the cups and (are supposed to) play good football.
     
  8. sanariot

    sanariot Member

    Nov 19, 2001
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My advice for this question is to not pick a team immediately. Just keep watching games and the team will pick you. However, if you want a club that plays well enough to keep you hoping but never wins the big one, than Chelsea is your team. They're consistently near the top of the table, but haven't won the league since 1955.
     
  9. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Yeah, but if you support Chelsea, then the terrorists have won.
     
  10. Clan

    Clan Member

    Apr 23, 2002
    If you like to read a good book or perhaps the paper while keeping an eye on a game--then Liverpool is the team for you.
    Paper and/or book will keep you entertained and you'll have live...er "action"...whenever you need to rest your eyes.
     
  11. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    If you support liverpool though you may have to have a pilow close at hand in case you drop off during one of their exciting counter attacks. I'm feeling sleepy just talking about it.
     
  12. Clan

    Clan Member

    Apr 23, 2002
    Good question.
    Now-a-days the Champions league is the height of European club football achievement-an argument could be made for the competition being best on the world scale.
    Domestic title is the bread and butter for all teams, however these days there are teams and owners that would rather win the champions league before the title.
    Owners and players will almost to a man state that the domestic title is their first aim..but you have to wonder.
    After these there is the FA Cup, UEFA and Worthington.

    Old school--like me--will always have it this way..
    Title
    FA Cup
    European Cup
    Uefa Cup
    Worthy
    However, in todays market there is little or no room for "old school" thought.Money has become the great motivator, to the point that the absolutely assinine situation of Television companys actually making the FA and Football league schedule games to their liking ie.prime time TV is the norm rather than the exception.
     
  13. Toon³

    Toon³ Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    If you want to watch a team with world class players playing at a world class level without being branded a glory seeker support Newcastle Utd. However you may be one of these strange people who likes to watch a team with no width and no attacking play and who spends all their money on second rate foreigners who admitt that they arn't good enough to play in the Premiership then Liverpool is your team.
     
  14. michaec

    michaec Member

    Arsenal
    England
    May 24, 2001
    Essex
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    This is incorrect, Premiership clubs can't loan players to other Premiership clubs. I don't know why, it's a stupid rule, but it's there. The big clubs in Italy often loan out players to smaller Serie A outfits and it hasn't hurt them. Maybe one for the suits at the FA to look at.
     
  15. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    I think that you can loan keepers between Premierhip clubs, but other than that it's a no go.
     
  16. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
    London
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Re: Re: New to EPL, World-Class Football

    Chelsea? Consistently near the top of the League? Only since Hodd took over, before then they were like a bloody yo-yo.

    I have heard Spurs compared to the Red Sox a few times. They're definitely a 'This is the year!' team. Very frustrating.
     
  17. roarksown1

    roarksown1 Member

    Mar 30, 2001
    Playa del Rey, CA
    Club:
    Hamburger SV
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you're watch FSW, then you're also probably getting a chance to see some great Bundesliga action. Leverkusen is the team for you!!! Last year they finished runners-up for THREE major trophies - Champions League, Bundesliga, and the DFB Pokal (League Cup). Their nickname in Germany is "Never-kusen."
     
  18. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002

    Newcastle average attendances.

    1991 - 16,879
    1992 - 21,519 (bolstered after selling out last few games upon appointement of Keegan)
    1993 - 29,048
    1994 - 33,794

    Newcastle has plenty of glory-hunter supporters who probably couldn't name the three managers prior to Kevin Keegan.
     
  19. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
    London
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    True. Man City's fans are the most loyal. They stick through thick and thin. But if you really don't want to be accused of gloryhunting, support Darlington. They're never on TV, and you'll be grateful for it.
     
  20. Manc

    Manc New Member

    Feb 28, 2003
    Manchester
    I can only urge you as a Manchester United fan not to support Man cITY. Anyone but them.

    Seriously though, all this "loyal fans" rubbish is a big lie. Manchester Citys last ever F.A game at their current stadium against one of Europe's most succesful clubs, Liverpool. A big game we all agree? 23,000 of their fans went to watch the match (out of 30,00). Truly shocking.

    For someone who puts up with city fans day in day out, I assure you that the vast majority dress badly, eat badly (mcdonalds every day) and are quite thick. Not all mind! Theres a few good city fans I know, well, until they start talking football that is.

    Even when United were not successful in the 70`s and 80`s they still achieved the highest average attendance in the country for about 13/20 years (coming 2nd in the others)

    My american comrade - I dont mind who you support, but dont believe the lies people spout about Man City. Ive said enough, I could go on all night!
     
  21. Clan

    Clan Member

    Apr 23, 2002
    Re: Re: Re: New to EPL, World-Class Football

    Not quite true there mate.
    Only did the yo-yo effect after the building of the East stand (the first time) and went into financial ruin because of over-runs, thatcheromics, the steel strike and subsequent construction workers sympathetic selective strikes.
    Truly a fuckin cursed adventure.
    Mid 70's thru late 80's.

    A good American baseball equivalent of the yids would be the Expos or Twins...he he he he he
     
  22. Fusion City

    Fusion City New Member

    Sep 25, 2001
    Manchester,England
    Right! Just a couple of points! The game V Liverpool,bearing in mind that the last few seasons the general attendace has been down both for the Worthy & FA cup ties,this match was shown live on the BBC & was a lunchtime kick-off on a Sunday AND it cost £20 for a ticket...I thought that 23,000 was a bloody decent crowd!!
    Secondly,OT is a big ground,I went there for 3 seasons in the 80's,paid on the gate & never failed to get in! They even wrote to me (you had to have membership to get in back then) trying to convince me of the benefits of being a season ticket holder!!
    United are an excellent team at the moment,as are Arsenal...if you want to support a winning team,these are the ones to choose from.If you want to belong to a club with great tradition,doing OK in the Prem,check most of the others out...every one has a good selling point! But if I was you I'd go for a team in the 1st or 2nd with a good history (QPR,Sheffield United,Sheffield Wednesday,Stoke City,Burnley) You'll get all the more satisfaction from them doing well!!
     
  23. rymannryan

    rymannryan New Member

    Aug 27, 2002
    N.N., Virginia
    Re: Re: New to EPL, World-Class Football



    This is perfect. One thing is for sure, don't go by what other people say. I'd say you probably want to watch all English soccer for at least a year or so, and that includes FA Cup, so you can get a taste of a wide variety of teams from different divisions. That is of course if you want to follow an English team. You'll be tempted to jump on a team's bandwagon, but don't, because you won't truly like them. It will be false. Just wait it out and eventually you'll be drawn to a team.
     
  24. basso001

    basso001 Member

    Aug 18, 2002
    Bay Area, Calif.
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Re: Re: Re: New to EPL, World-Class Football

    And look for the moment of lightning.
    On a similar thread a while back, somebody (don't remember who) said that when he saw Michael Owen's goal against Argentina in '98 he knew instantly that he was an England and Liverpool supporter.

    That works.
    That's why we call it the beautiful game.

    Good luck, whichever team you end up with.
     
  25. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Re: Re: New to EPL, World-Class Football

    This guy fell in love with Owen while watching a WC match??
     

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