NEW Saputo Stadium for Montreal 2012

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by anewsoccerfan, Mar 9, 2011.

  1. El Duderino

    El Duderino Member

    Nov 29, 2006
    Agreed. Even if they play the majority of their opening games on the road and only a couple at home, that would make for a fair compromise. They could have a couple of the expected big draw games (NY, TFC) at Olympic Stadium to utilize the expanded capacity.
     
  2. Gaboo

    Gaboo Member

    Jan 14, 2008
    Singapore
    Club:
    Fortuna Düsseldorf 1895
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    And by that avoid the discussion if the Impact should play their first homegame in MLS and the Canada derbies in Olympic Stadium anyway because of the expected high demand and to reach higher attendances for these games...which eventually they would decide against anyway. ;)

    Anyway, your suggestion sounds very reasonable to me!
     
  3. PJohnson

    PJohnson Member+

    DC United
    Dec 16, 2004
    South Dakota
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Punctuation smack? You crack me up! :D
     
  4. pace8

    pace8 Member

    Aug 17, 2006
    Miami and Montreal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Haiti
  5. MLS1FAN

    MLS1FAN Member+

    May 11, 2004
    Miami Beach,FL
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With this new Saputo stadium along with Houston, the league will reach 13 soccer specific stadiums in 2012 putting more than half the league in their own stadiums.

    1. 1999 Crew Stadium - Columbus Crew
    2. 2003 Home Depot Center - LA Galaxy/Chivas USA
    3. 2005 Pizza Hut Park - FC Dallas
    4. 2006 Toyota Park at Bridgeview - Chicago Fire
    5. 2007 Dicks Sporting Good Park - Colorado Rapids
    6. 2007 BMO Field - Toronto FC
    7. 2008 Rio Tinto Stadium - Real Salt Lake
    8. 2010 Red Bull Arena - New York Red Bulls
    9. 2010 PPL Park at Chester - Philadelphia Union
    10. 2011 Jeld-Wen Field - Portland Timbers
    11. 2011 Livestrong Sporting Park - Sporting Kansas City
    12. 2012 Stade Saputo - Montreal Impact FC
    13. 2012 Dynamo stadium - Houston Dynamo
     
  6. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    so the league will be down to 5 out of 19 teams without a SSS right?

    Seattle Sounders - CenturyLink Field (NFL)
    Vancouver Whitecaps - BC Place (CFL)
    New England Revolution - Gillette Stadium (NFL)
    DC United - RFK Stadium (various)
    San Jose Earthquakes - Buck Shaw Stadium (Santa Clara Soccer)


    Seattle and Vancouver while not in SSS are co-primary tenants in their stadiums and I think control much of the revenue. They also don't have capacity problems because the stadium is either designed with a "smaller" soccer setup or their attendance is large enough that cavernous capacity is not an issue.

    San Jose supposedly has something in the works ... supposedly.

    So it is only really the Revs and DCU that will be the only teams without a SSS and/or without a stadium situation that is favourable to MLS games and they have nothing in the works.
     
  7. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Sounders and Whitecaps only get the revenue for their games.. That's a huge difference than the teams that are in SS and get the revenue from other events in the stadium.
     
  8. Mattbro

    Mattbro Member+

    Sep 21, 2001
    I would say the only team in MLS in real trouble is DCU. I can seriously see the Revs still in Gillette in 10 years, playing on turf with pointyball lines in front of 8,000. I mean, that's sad, but they'll still be there, and probably in 15 years too. But DCU is pretty much on the ropes right now.
     
  9. Mattbro

    Mattbro Member+

    Sep 21, 2001
    But the Whitecaps have a sweet shirt sponsorship and healthy attendance, whereas the Sounders have ridiculous attendance and presumably good sponsorships too. Am I wrong to assume they're more profitable than any other team in the league with the exception of LAG?
     
  10. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you go by what the teams themselves are making, yes. The Sounders supposedly make the most out of any team, including the Galaxy. However, most teams in SS have set up separate divisions that manage their SS, so the revenue they get from the other events are not included in the team revenue.
     
  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seattle and New England have the same financial setup with their stadiums. If New England could get back to where their attendance once was we wouldn't be talking about them any differently than Seattle. The issue isn't their stadium deal or location, its their Front Office.
     
  12. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fire Sunil Gulati! :p
     
  13. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    Columbus has been tossing about the idea of moving out of Crew Stadium entirely and into a downtown location.
     
  14. dsirias

    dsirias Member

    Oct 26, 2007
    San jose better do better than montreals stadium. I mean it's ok but the bay area needs a small palace. Bay area fans are fickle. Otherwise no one will come unless they are winners consistently
     
  15. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    no they aren't really. seattle gets 36K, the revs never got close to that. maybe 20k a few years but that is still only about half of what seattle gets.

    so while the "financial" situation might be similar the game day experience/suitability for mls games is not ... not by any stretch ... even if they were at their old high levels ... which they aren't and aren't likely to ever be with the kraft owners and the location of the stadium in foxboro.

    are they in as bad a situation as DCU? obviously not. are they in a good situation for their owner? probably, what does he care ... any extra money to the man mall is good for him. but it is not a good situation for the fans of the Revs. even if by magic Kraft turned into a super fantastic and dedicated owner Gillette would still not be a "good" situation for mls games and fans of the Revs ... it would be okay ... better than now because maybe 20K fans would go and he game day environment wouldn't be outright hostile to supporter groups ... but it still wouldn't be ideal due to the location of foxboro and the stadium itself not being as conducive as CentryLink and the crowds being much smaller even at an imaginary 20K.
     
  16. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    but, they aren't paying for the stadiums either ... so perhaps it isn't as big a difference as one might suspect. having all of the revenues from a true SSS is nice, but if that SSS cost you $200M then those returns might be a while in coming until after you pay off the debt for the stadium.

    i do imagine that in the medium to long run the SSS stadium with ancillary revenue is probably the ideal situation ... but not all cities/teams are able to get really good deals to build such a place and seattle and vancouver are in pretty good situations as is ... not absolutely perfect (sharing with NFL, fieldturf, not 100% of all revenues) but it could be worse i guess.
     
  17. RSwenson

    RSwenson Member

    Feb 1, 2000
    In MLS 1.0, most teams were renting the stadium (at big cost) and then only getting a small slice of concessions and parking (if they were getting any of these ancillary revenues at all)...

    Although owning your own stadium is the ideal, controlling all of your game-day revenue streams and having options on managing other soccer-related events at the venue would be a far cry from "the old days"
     
  18. rossgreen

    rossgreen Member

    Jul 16, 2006
    Austin
    Have the Sounders ever, or will they ever, push for their own stadium?
     
  19. seaoctopus

    seaoctopus Member

    Apr 25, 2011
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why would they? The only real drawback to Qwes...er.. Century Link is the playing surface.

    Plus the current political climate would preclude building yet another stadium in Seattle in the foreseeable future...
     
  20. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No to both questions. They aren't going to find a better location than CenturyLink. It's located right next to a ton of bars, relatively easy access by multiple types of transit/transportation, already has a ton of parking garages built to support NFL games, etc, etc. Obviously the playing surface is an issue, but it's going to be a lot easier and less expensive to get that resolved than to try and get public financing for a SSS that will most likely be inferior in every way, except the playing surface, than CenturyLink.
     
  21. Kappa74

    Kappa74 Member+

    Feb 2, 2010
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    A 40K capacity SSS could probably fit in what is now the north parking lot. Of course it would probably have to be built on top of a 1100 car underground parking garage, which would be below the water table of Elliot bay. But hey, what is a half billion dollars among friends.
     
  22. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    Y'know they haven't even changed out all of the signage in the stadium yet.
     
  23. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Erm,this is the Montreal stadium thread,right?

    Signed,

    A guy who is only a 90-minute drive from MTL (plus a halfhour wait at the border). :)
     
  24. EmpedoxFCB

    EmpedoxFCB Member

    Apr 20, 2009
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, I could have have sworn I'd find you in a Premier League forum instead.
     
  25. mntiburon

    mntiburon Member

    Jun 25, 2009
    Fairfax County, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're playing in Olympic Stadium the first half of next season fyi.
     

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