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  1. Gilbertsson

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    You are clueless about the German and Austrian community in entire Yugoslavia.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Croatian_people_of_German_descent

    Naturally, they refused communism. At least those who lived in that time.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans_of_Croatia

    Around 100 000 of Germans lived in Croatia in 1931. Where are they in 1948?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Croatia

    The similar is with Italians: 230 000 in 1931 and 76 000 in 1948.

    Longer vacation? World Cups 1934, 1938? Try to invent more creative.

    I am sure that you have the answers ready from your Secretary for Defence, Protection and External Questions?

    Two names with some small traces? Really?

    Just like communists, we are all innocent.
     
  2. Leonardo Musupic

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    When I ask what you think of Ustase, you just say you can't comment because you weren't born then. When I ask what you think of rising fascism within Croatia and with Croatians abroad, including human swastika's and such and you divert to some wiki page on some Serbian sounding name. There's really nothing more to add here. What do you expect? You're a nazi lover. Seig Heil Gilbertsson!
     
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    #18678 Pietro Calcio, Feb 13, 2020
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    You could stop right there at Clueless.

    That's about it with him.....plus his alter persona sock accounts

    No shame in what he does here ( and his history ) which is ironic since he demands you and others here should be ashamed on things they had no personal responsiblity for many generations and years ago.

    This psycho goes around linking mods trying to get people banned while baselessly accusing others of trying to get him banned.

    No dignity..... also, I also applaud you for contributing to another mental breakdown of his. As it's been quite entertaining here lately. Keep up the good work Sir Gilberto !! ;)
     
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  4. Gilbertsson

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    Usually everything goes under SWOT and PESTLE analysis.
    I wonder what would Leonardo Musupic, totti fan wrote if they place the Communism as the system under this analysis. Weaknesses and threats don't exist unless if they are cruel capitalism.
     
  5. Gilbertsson

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    #18680 Gilbertsson, Feb 13, 2020
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    Ustase were the reason to fight against the psychos like Serbian Chetniks, Serbian Orthodox Christianity, their king Alexander, Gavrilo Princip, Punisa Racic, Black Hand, Communism, Yugoslav Partisans...you need more? And the same thing happened in 1990's, only with psychos with different names who mostly ended in Haag.

    Serbian sounding name? Fedor Dragojlov was born in the city called Pancevo. And that's in Serbia today.
    https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Dragojlov

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pančevo

    "Today's urban area was administered by the Bulgarian Empire until the begin of the 11th century, then by the Kingdom of Hungary until the 16th century, when it became part of the Ottoman Empire in 1521. During the Ottoman rule, the city was part of the Temeşvar Eyalet and mostly populated by ethnic Serbs."

    They came later almost everywhere and mostly running in front of Turks. And you justify their territorial pretensions over the last 400,500 years?? Makes no sense.

    You see how you write silly things, if we try to recollect your ripped art collage:
    - Tito was a Croat. Although Roman Catholic clergy won't make any religious commemorations for him in Belgrade or anywhere. We never see anything Roman Catholic that surrounds even slight shadow of Yugoslav Partisans. Haven't seen any petition initiative where someone wants to return his body parts in Croatia. He travelled in coffin with train from Slovenia to Serbia. He could stop and end his trip in Croatia. Obviously his last wish was Serbia. At the same time you adore Tito who is a Croat. But you hate his own Croatian people.
    - Tito destroyed evil non-communists, but he liberated Rijeka, Istra and Trieste with right-wing Croats who made horrible atrocities under the Yugoslav banner.
    - You promote Cuban gay activism, but you ignore the crimes against them in Yugoslavia until 1970's.

    You have to decide finally.

    You will never comment the reasons for creation of Ustase. The first and main reasons.

    1928 was before 1939, 1941...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puniša_Račić

    1929 was before 1939, 1940...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_January_Dictatorship

    Everything starts and ends here. Your beginnings start in 1939, 1940...and you are hopeless. You can place photos, fantasy flags, decorations at football matches, slogans, about the running bear, free healthcare, free education.

    Observe that Carnival in Kumrovec in my videos. They haven't used that free education. Either they are terrible academics or that free education went bad.

    Chetniks were active since 19th century.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chetniks

    Ustase were founded in 1929:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustashe

    What to expect if you have psychos like Chetniks, Gavrilo Princip and Punisa Racic?? White giving up flag? Mighty Gavrilo, Punisa, Chetniks conquer us all? You intentionally avoid this and you bring me in 1940's. Why? If we have plenty of juicy materials before WWII? But no, they are the hand of Yugoslavia. Chetniks became the protectors of Kingdom of Yugoslavia later, Gavrilo Princip was a Pan-Slavist, although with Latin surname, but you are not concerned with roots.

    Serbian territorial aspirations started when they started the WWI:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip

    Black Hand: Unification of Death?? Founded in 1901.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hand_(Serbia)

    Yugoslavism is equal to Pan-Serbism.

    That's why you protect these psychos. They are your air and food. Since 19th century and early 20th century we see such strange figures with warlike motto's.

    1914 was also before 1941, 1943. You can't connect yourself with ordinary time chronology, timeline, the chronology of events, because you are stressed out, so you place some superficial banners and slogans. These historic events really happened and they are only several reasons out of many others that dictated the tragedies in that part.

    You never see any threats from communism. Blessed system, how can they resist, amazing Stalin, Lenin, Tito, Mao....you can't even figure it out that every political system has opponents and every political system creates enemies and antagonism. But you never combine those effects when communism creates antagonism and fear. Only because of these 10,15 sentences you ended as funny person.

    Bring some order in your timeline and historic events. You constantly write about the epicentre of WWII.

    You never elaborate the census in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina, 1931 and 1948. How come we can't see the deaths of 300 000 Serbs, but we see missing Italians, Germans and Croats in 1990's from Bosnia and Herzegovina.

    We can only discuss if you elaborate this post. Obviously you can't, so you will find some camp in 1944 year.
     
  6. La Magica

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    Can you shed any light on the situation ongoing in Montenegro ? Up to 1/3 of the population have been protesting on the streets twice a week, Thursday and Sundays since December over the church laying claim they own the Orthodox churches. This isnt getting any attention in the western media but thats understandable.

    https://europeanwesternbalkans.com/...m-polarization-that-benefits-the-governments/
     
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    @Rosay

    You watch. Trudeau will send in the army if the protests continue. The media will still fool the sheep into believing he's a "progressive" friend of the environment regardless.
     
  9. Leonardo Musupic

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    You have some weird idea that I care about chetniks and their crimes just because I'm criticizing you for apologizing for Ustase crimes. I don't care about either. They're both inhumane. Bro Tito had the right idea to try and civilize you savages, but hatred is deep rooted in the psyche of the balkan people unfortunately. You guys on both sides give justification for murder, rape, mutilations. They did it first, each group will say. It's all stupid. Tito tried to unify you savages but you would have nothing of it because you some imaginary difference in pronunciation of name or something equally ridiculous that you've come up with in the last 10 pages of cut and paste wiki. You think that I have some obligation to talk about why someone's surname in the Ustase sounded like a Serbian one, or Hungarian one? I don't owe you that. None of that matters. It was a Croatian Nationalist movement all the same. No amount of wiki pasting is going to change that for anyone with half a brain. You might be able to fool some of your fellow fascist white supremacists in this thread but you can't fool someone who doesn't succumb to the same level of hatred and discrimination. I laugh very much loud at your attempts.

    Now that I've told you that Chetniks are equally as scum as the Ustase are, let's see if you can admit the same of your own people's crimes. You won't, because you're stuck in the same destructive mindset. Bro Tito saw the light. Even if he was trained in a hate filled Ustase regime, he knew that unifying the savages of that region was the way out of the constant fighting of each nation for your entire documented history. You guys just keep killing each other and the cycle never ends. Maybe the next generation can get over all that deep rooted hatred, or you can all go back to being tribal savages again. Bro Tito's plan almost worked if it weren't for deep rooted hatred that ultimately divided you all again. Hand your head in shame.
     
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  11. Gilbertsson

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    #18686 Gilbertsson, Feb 14, 2020
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    Chetniks served as the protectors of Yugoslav king. They were formed the first, Communists came in 1919 in Yugoslavia. And you expect that opponents of such crazy systems will remain still and in peace?:rolleyes:

    Several months you mentioned about: "poor and peaceful Serbs, who did nothing to anyone".

    What is the ethnic group of Nikola Tesla? Answer this at least.

    Wikipedia is not relevant, I am only bringing the exact dates of foundations when those crazy people and movements started to occur. You can find the same dates, years in every possible book. But when it's not suitable, blame the Wikipedia.

    Your Communist, Chetnik lunatics were not made up in Wikipedia: Punisa Racic, Gavrilo Princip, Draza Mihailovic, king Alexander, Josip Broz Tito. They are actual figures, just like their victims. In Wikipedia, in any normal book, even in elementary school history manuals, something that you could maybe understand.

    They can all speak: "They started first". But the dates, years can't be forged. Ustase were founded as the last one. As the reaction against Chetniks, Communists, Yugoslavia. Every of these three insane movements existed before Ustase?

    And Ustase could be named as Trees, Strawberry, Corn, doesn't matter. Someone had to go against these three movements.

    Croatian movement that attracted people of different origins. This isn't suitable for you. But it's suitable to say: 100 % Croats formed Ustase and made atrocities.

    In one sentence you hate Croatia, but evidently Croatia was/is the desire of Communists, Chetniks. Maybe not so bad.

    Chetniks and Ustase fought against each other. And it was suitable for Ustase to see Chetniks and Yugoslav Partisans against each other. Interesting, the number of Partisans from Serbia grow highly after 1943. Maybe Chetniks under Yugoslav banner? Sounds logical. I gave you the numbers.

    Nobody cares about your Tito. You can have that bulb of light and press on and off all day long. Ordinary communist promoter, nothing else. If I open new account and if I start to say pro-communism, I would be acceptable for you, with my education, mindset and attitude. Your only existing reference about the people.

    Croatian units were never present in Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro. But Serbian, Montenegrin units were present in Croatia since WWI. You try to make the equal guilt. Croatian members of Yugoslav Parliament were killed, not Serbian, not Slovene, not Montenegrin, not Bosnian Muslims representatives. That's the difference. If you hear such similar thing in contemporary time, about murders in parliament, you would probably say: "So disturbing, so chocking, human rights". But when this happens in late 1920's, than it's: "You are all the same, shooting at each other, Tito gathered you in one state". People are not chickens where they need to be in the same hen house.;)

    Yugoslav Communists killed people in other countries after the WWII, because they started to write against Yugoslavia. So much about the light of remedy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Security_Administration_(Yugoslavia)

    They tried to kill Ante Pavelic. I wonder why no one arrested him abroad? He lived in Argentina, Spain. The winners of WWII could press charges on him.

    State flags are the states where murders happened. If they broke the law, than those states could prosecute them. But no, if no one brakes the law, Yugoslavia will make the verdict.:rolleyes: They are not only Croats on that list.

    Some of your Yugoslav light bringers are sentenced for life.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stjepan_Đureković

    That's why you are only funny and poor in your small paradise of communist light that no one recognizes.

    If Chetniks, Communists stayed at home, than we wouldn't see the Ustase also. That's the main conclusion. Stay at home.:thumbsup: Chetniks and Communists were not founded in Croatia. They were imported from Soviet Union and placed in Serbia as the main communist hot spot in Balkan Peninsula.

    Accept finally that there are at least 3 millions of people in Croatia who don't care about Tito, Yugoslavia, Chetniks, Communism, Soviet Union, Stalin, Lenin. They are against all that. Call them as light, food, oxygen, they said it no to all of them. Understand that finally.:) Even your convinced Communists in Croatia are now Roman Catholics, right - wing people, democrats, liberals....everything but not publicly declared Communists. What are they inside? I don't care, but they can't promote Communism, Tito on TV, because this only brings 2-3% of collected votes.

    People leave from Yugoslavia since 1945, 1960's, 1970's, 1990's, 2008 (World Crisis). The last one who remains will turn that light off.:D Now all those communists are in fear: who will work in their private companies, they only know to give orders, with their golden teeth smiles, golden watches around hands and tasteless necklaces that go over their pink shirts, who will work in hotels for small salaries in tourism, warehouses, transport, agriculture, if people leave in Austria, Germany? You tricked yourself, you are all alone.

    All Communists are the same scum: the actual, the ex ones, the progressive ones, in between actual and ex. All the same epilogue: with poverty ahead. :)
     
  12. Gilbertsson

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    Yes, there is a problem there. Similar to those between Serbia and Croatia.

    Serbian Orthodox Church wants to rule with all Orthodox Christians in entire ex-Yugoslavia. Those who identify as Montenegrin people, they want to be Montenegrin Orthodox Christians. But, Serbian Orthodox Church is in fear so that they don't lose real estates, monasteries, churches in Montenegro. They would go back in Serbia: less money, less wealth.

    Separated from Serbian Orthodox Church:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montenegrin_Orthodox_Church

    Macedonian Orthodox Church also had / has problems.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_Orthodox_Church_–_Ohrid_Archbishopric

    The same problem is in Croatia. All Orthodox Christians in Croatia are under Serbian Orthodox Church.
    But they can also be from different backgrounds: Vlach Latin, Serbian, Montenegrin, North Macedonian, even Greek merchants were often present in Croatia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Serbian_Orthodox_churches_in_Croatia

    If someone wants to establish Croatian Orthodox Church, than those pro-Serbian Orthodox priest would have to leave. That initiative existed in WWII:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Orthodox_Church

    They still exist. But they are considered as pro-Croatian Orthodox believers. So, the politics, ethnicity, religion strikes again.:D

    It would be more fair to investigate, who is really Serb, Montenegrin, Vlach Latin and form all three Orthodox Church, so that they could be independent from each other.

    They all exist in Italy.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Orthodoxy_in_Italy

    I see only here battle for real estates, influence.

    Established in 2011.:D
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Orthodox_Eparchy_of_Austria_and_Switzerland

    Long tradition. Roman Catholics don't have such ethnic names, like: Austrian Catholic Church, Croatian Catholic Church. It sounds rather strange. Imagine that Roman Catholic communities form their ethnic and religious names in Serbia. Serbs would be angry about that. But when they form the names around the world, it's OK than, that's ecumenism.

    If they can't go through with their faith, they try to take over Roman Catholics, if they like the city.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serb-Catholic_movement_in_Dubrovnik

    Some of these figures are really ethnic Serbs, but they were Roman Catholics.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Serbian_Roman_Catholics

    For example, all with Balsic surname, Nemanjic, Vojnovic, others mostly not ethnic Serbs.

    The problem in Montenegro is because majority of Orthodox Christians declared as Serbs until Montenegrin independence. But they noticed that Serbs only use them, so they started to think differently. But, they were together in attacks against Croatia: WWII, wars in 1990's.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Montenegro

    Since 1991, more and more people started to declare as Serbs. Very strange. Since 2011 the number is dropping.

    Italians don't exist at all in Montenegro. Also strange. Entire coast was part of Republic of Venice.

    The problem of language is also present. Montenegrin people want to name their language as Montenegrin, not as Serbian. They both use Cyrillic Script.
    Montenegrin people use IJE or JE in words, Serbs use only E.

    Example: Živjela and Živela (Long live). During liberation in Trieste 1945, one banner had these words: Živela Jugoslavija (Long live Yugoslavia). Totti Fan and his clones are silent because of that. Croatian right-wing nationalists started to write Serbian on their Yugoslav flags.:D

    That's why all those Orthodox Churches are complicated. Patriarch of Constantinopolis allowed independent Ukrainian Orthodox Church. Russian Orthodox Church refuses this decision.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Church_of_Ukraine

    Until 2019 they were under Russian Orthodox Church.

    Only desire for territory and influence, nothing else. Whoever wants independence, the rage occurs. If only religion matters what's the problem with the name?

    Some of the funny maps in Balkan Peninsula, desires, plans, wishful thinking:
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_Montenegro#History_maps

    Future Greater Serbia according to project of Stevan Moljević (1941)

    Territory controlled by the Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland (JVuO) in 1942
    (The beginnings of Communist Yugoslavia). The origins are there in the south. Montenegro without the coast, Serbia, Kosovo.:rolleyes:

    "All Serbia", an enlarged Serbia proposed by Milan Nedić in 1943
    Lovely plan and ambition. Almost entire Bosnia and Herzegovina with Serbia and Montenegro.:D

    Areas of the Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland (JVuO) commanders, according to the truce treaties with the Germans (as of 1943)

    Communists made truce with Nazi Germany. You want to comment that Totti Fan and clones?

    Area under jurisdiction of the National Anti-Fascist Council of the People's Liberation of Sandžak (ZAVNOS), 1943-1945

    Yugoslav Partisans occupied Sandzak region, mostly Muslims live there. Now, lets print the propaganda here.:ROFLMAO:

    Montenegro was not the same always.
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Montenegro_territory_expanded_(1830-1944).png

    They got the coast after WWII.:confused: Silly solution. Because mostly Roman Catholics of different background lived there: Latins, Slavs, smaller number of Austrians and Albanians in South (Ulcinj for example).

    That's why this is all complicated to understand. Map borders can be switched constantly. Four, five generations of the same family can be born in 4 different state names and switch several political systems, political types of ruling.:sleep:
     
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    ya the media is left leaning in Canada too
     
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    Chinese guy speaking the unfiltered truth. He must not have been raised in America.

     
  15. Leonardo Musupic

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    Gilbert, what part of I don't give a shit about Chetniks do you not understand? They're as evil and stupid as your beloved Ustase. Both groups of savages murdered and mutilated innocent people, women and children, mostly in the name of religion. Both are right wing nationalist idiots. You supporting them is equally idiotic. At first you tried to sell us on the idea that the Ustase were hardly Croatian in number because you could find some random names of them that you claim originated from different slavic ethnicities. No ********ing shit! That's why the only one Croat in history with some common sense Broz Tito tried to unite all you savage morons. Now you use the same failed argument that the rest of the savage slavs use when they want to justify killing other innocent people "they started it!" How pathetic!

    Renounce the nazi Ustase Gilbert, or at least stop being a coward and admit you love them like all of those who keep giving you reps for your nazi apologist bullshit.

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    As you can see, only one of us tells the truth.

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  18. Leonardo Musupic

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    Gilbert is just jealous of this man's super good looks.

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    #18694 Gilbertsson, Feb 15, 2020
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    For sure not you, if you ignore the entire time chronology from middle 19th and the beginnings of 20th century, especially WWI and events between the two wars until 1939.

    They say that they behave like this in loony bin. Sometimes they hit themselves with squeezed fists, they can't hit walls and injure themselves, because everything is soft there.:rolleyes: Your communism is erased among people in ex-Yugoslavia. There are only social - democrats who promote capitalist, often liberal ideas, by comparing ex-Yugoslav countries with Austria, Germany, Netherlands, Scandinavian countries as their aim. If someone tries to quote the speeches of Stalin, Lenin, Tito, Marx, that's enough for 2,3% of votes.

    But we all know that social - democrats can't bring the quality of life that exists in old EU countries.

    The other Communists are devoted Roman Catholics since 1990's, they carry the rosaries, bracelets with saints.

    See how your Communists chase after Roman Catholic clergy and give rewards to the Cardinal who died in 2002. He didn't had some major role.

    https://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/34229-grabar-kitarovic

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franjo_Kuharić

    https://www.total-croatia-news.com/politics/41505-kuharic

    "....posthumously bestowed the Grand Order of President of the Republic Franjo Tuđman with Sash and Morning Star on the former Archbishop of Zagreb, Cardinal Franjo Kuharić, for his role as a moral authority in the Croatian nation."

    And Franjo Tudjman was also in Communist Party.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franjo_Tuđman

    Other political affiliations League of Communists of Yugoslavia (1942–1967)

    Or when ex-Yugoslav Army staff acts today like this:

    https://www.rtl.hr/vijesti-hr/foto/...svoj-stav-o-otvaranju-u-rijeci/?slika=4083021

    Funny, isn't it? You can tell the stories and place everything in your comic book. How to be the right - winger and not so natural? So, that people can only laugh.:whistling:

    It reminds me on events when they invited Rolling Stones in Zagreb, back than Yugoslavia. So, that they demonstrate in Croatia: "See, we are not like Soviet Union, you can listen the British rock and roll".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rolling_Stones_Tour_of_Europe_'76

    21 June 1976 Zagreb Yugoslavia Dom Sportova

    1976 was after 1971

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatian_Spring

    Everything is fine in Yugoslavia, this was small suppression. We must think a plan and bring something western in Croatia. Tito turned the light, bring that British rock band. They will be happy with that. Again, time chronology wins against you, not me or my words.

    If Tito had lived until 1990, he would be the biggest capitalist and Roman Catholic. He already was capitalist, according to his lifestyle, cars, mansions, rare animals collection. Capitalist since the WWII.

    Maybe you are telling the truth, but Communists really hate their Communism. If this was something good, we would hear romantic memories. So, how could Anti - Communists like the Communism? I see here only Delete, Reset, Update, Upgrade, Format the brain and forget everything that embraced you in Communism. Ready to be anything besides being Communists. Live in agony of forgotten past.:thumbsup: This is the truth of 2020. At least you could light some candles for all those who died as victims of Communism. The only way for your redemption.
     
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    #18696 Leonardo Musupic, Feb 15, 2020
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    We are spared tons of nazi apologist psycho babble and very muchs bandwidth is saved. I laugh very much loud.

    That was referring the innocent women and children that were mutilated by Ustase, a fact you are trying hard to ignore.

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    Women and Children killed at Ustase Jasovenac death camp.


    If, according to you, all Serbs are Chetniks because of the Chetniks, then all Croats too must be Ustase because of the Ustase. The latter being more true since all over the world the Ustase movement is still very much alive. Croats the world over will readily talk positively about the Croatian Mengele of the Balkans, under who's watch hundreds of thousands of innocent people were ethnically cleansed but they call Tito a traitor who tried to unite you savages.

    To you the latter is worse, and therefore you don't care that innocent people were murdered by Croatian Nationalists.

    Everything else you write is just sloppy revisionist history. You remind me of the Croatians who try to steal Marco Polo as their own. Pathetic.
     
  22. Leonardo Musupic

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    #18697 Leonardo Musupic, Feb 15, 2020
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    You said you were done discussing with me. I proved you are not. I win again and I will continue pulling strings in this discussion for as long as I want.


    I ignore nothing because if we go back further before 1919 we can find many many example of Croatians cleansing the other tribal entities of the balkans back and forth for centuries. It all started a millenia ago by jealous Croatian tribal people when you were successfully under the rule of more civilized people under Austrian Empire.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croatia

    Background
    Inter-war period
    Ethnic tensions between Croats and Serbs can be traced back to the Great Schism of 1054. During the time of the Austrian Empire, land privileges were granted to Serbs living in the Military Frontier of the Habsburg Monarchy.[11] As Habsburg frontier militiamen, they were exempt from communal and church autonomy as well as feudal obligations while Croats were not. This became a source of Croat resentment and Serb determination to defend their status which became articulated in nationalist sentiments and ideologies in later history.

    That is why I say you are all savages and Tito was the only Croat with common sense in history to try and stop the bloodshed by try to help you guys see you're all the same.

    Dance Gilbertsson!

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    Surely you know which one is me and which one is you? ;)
     
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    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Observe the list of convicted, acquitted people in ICT Haag. A lot of the were the pearls of Yugoslav People's Army before 1990. They were focused on military career. Only people with strong communist values could achieve careers there. Observe how they fought against Yugoslav People's Army and many of them ended as war criminals.

    One committed suicide, something that entire world saw.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan_Praljak

    Latin through background, his father worked for Yugoslav security agency.
    "Praljak drew public attention in September 1991 when he voluntarily joined the newly formed Croatian Armed Forces after the outbreak of the Croatian War of Independence."

    Many people say that he felt bad because of his fathers acts and feelings.

    The best insight about the communism always speak the actual members. At first devoted lovers of communism, after 1990 they acted completely against communism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahim_Ademi

    "graduated from the Yugoslav military academy in Belgrade in 1976"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_Alagić

    "Mehmed Alagić graduated from the JNA military academy in Banja Luka in 1970. Later he became the commander of the military academy. In 1986, he became commander of the 36th mechanized brigade and in 1989 commander of the Zrenjanin brigade as part of the Novi Sad Corps."

    Father of Radovan Karadzic was a Chetnik.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovan_Karadžić

    "...and was imprisoned by the post-war communist regime for much of his son's childhood."

    Interesting, Communist Serbs and Chetnik Serbs had the same dream: Great Serbia until the Adriatic coast.

    Maybe several of them don't have the communist past. Majority has.

    Fans of S.S. Lazio commemorated this person.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkan

    But his father was a Yugoslav Partisan during WWII, member of Yugoslav Air Force. Such things happen if someone doesn't investigate enough.:rolleyes: Basically, they commemorated the son of Yugoslav Partisan, the politics that made the Foibe atrocities. Lapsus Calami.:sleep:

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    Quiz question: which person was not connected with Yugoslav Communist Party, or Military?:D

    I am sure that Totti Fan and his multiple personalities have the answers for such unusual behaviour of his members?:ROFLMAO:

    You don't have to listen to me Totti Fan, your members speak alone and in their names. Probably I am not relevant, my family tree never had any members in this party. Maybe they were all visionaries and people who were before their time with lack of naive point of view.:) Onore alla tutti anticomunisti.:thumbsup:

    Leonardo Musupic, your pictures have Serbian Cyrillic Script under the images. Please, find normal sources, English language, Western history. I invest veto on their documents and images. If you don't accept English version of Wikipedia, why should I accept Serbian Cyrillic Script and the sources of their historians? Not objective. No one regards their version of history as relevant because they don't belong to Western history.
     
  24. Leonardo Musupic

    Albion Rovers
    Australia
    Jan 23, 2020
    Like I said, I'm in control ;)
     
  25. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    #18700 Gilbertsson, Feb 15, 2020
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2020
    ....of pharmaceutical goodies?

    I already mentioned earlier. Serbs can be Chetniks (right-wing monarchists, Serbian Orthodox Christians, protectors of Kingdom of Yugoslavia) and they can be also Yugoslav Communists (the renovators of Kingdom of Yugoslavia under the different name: Socialist Federal Republic Yugoslavia.
    At the end, there are no differences. The aim is the same, conquest of Croatia, Slovenia. None of those two choices are acceptable in western history. Communism as western ideal? I doubt.

    Chetniks and Yugoslav Partisans, communists in general hate, dislike Croatia in any aspect, but all of them want to take Croatia. Object of hatred and desire. Time for therapy? :)

    Yes, you are in the control, but not in the control of time chronology, timeline of history, reasons, action - reaction, logical context...you promote communism, something that communists destroy, they make photos where they walk with military boot over the sacred Yugoslav flag. If they say: communism sucks, how can I disagree?
     

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