New MLS Ball Next Year?

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Emile, Sep 16, 2002.

  1. Emile

    Emile Member

    Oct 24, 2001
    dead in a ditch
    Surprised no one has brought this up yet, from the 9/15 Columbus Dispatch article.

    http://www.dispatch.com/crew/crew.php?story=dispatch/news/sports02/sep02/1485002.html

    "The Crew is testing two balls from Puma that likely will replace the Kappa ball in use this season. One has hundreds of small dimples like a golf ball.. "

    From a design standpoint, the Kappa ball seems to be much less controversial than the old Mitre volleyball. Does anyone have any thoughts on the performance of the Kappa ball vs. the new Puma balls?
     
  2. drenasu

    drenasu New Member

    Jun 20, 2002
    Chicago, IL
    Dimpled Soccer Balls

    I am suprised to hear that they are testing the dimpled Puma balls. IIRC, the reason you dimple aball is to make it go farther (that's why golf balls are dimpled, anyway). It goes farther because it has less air resistance. This would also make the ball harder to curve, I would think. At least, that's what my dimly remembered engineering education would tell me. Has anyone actually played with one of those balls that could verify this?
     
  3. retnicf

    retnicf Member

    May 7, 2001
    Mount Vernon, NY
    Re: Dimpled Soccer Balls

    Hmmm, whenever I hit a dimpled golf ball it seems very easy to curve. In fact nearly every time I hit it, it seems to shank or slice. ;)
     
  4. Dave Han

    Dave Han New Member

    May 6, 1999
    Auburn, AL
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If my dimly-remembered physics serves me:

    The dimples on a golf ball not only reduce drag, they generate lift. So a dimpled ball travels farther if it has backspin - which is what a golf club is designed to impart on the ball when properly struck.

    If, however, the ball has a sidespin, then I think dimples will actually make the ball curve more, because they are generating more sideways lift than a non-dimpled ball. This is what happens when David Beckham hits a free kick or I mishit a golf ball. It would also dip more if it has topspin.
     
  5. scudley

    scudley New Member

    Mar 13, 2001
    Syracuse, NY
  6. Khansingh

    Khansingh New Member

    Jan 8, 2002
    The Luton Palace
    Jesus, do they let you do that on a public golf course. I thought there were laws against that.
     
  7. empennage

    empennage Member

    Jan 4, 2001
    Phoenix, AZ
    Here's a decent explanation of the Golf ball effect:

    http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/golf.html

    The dimples, paradoxically, do increase drag slightly. But they also increase `Magnus lift', that peculiar lifting force experienced by rotating bodies travelling through a medium. Magnus lift is present because a driven golf ball has backspin. The same Magnus effect can cause a ball to hook or slice if there is sideways spin.


    Basically this article says that the dimples cause the air to transition to turbulent air sooner. The turbulent air keeps the flow "attached" to the ball longer, and this adds to the downforce due to the backspin of the ball.

    If I remember correctly, a dimpled golf ball will travel up to 20% farther than a non-dimpled ball. Also, there is a new product out (callaway golf??) that has hexagonal dimples that are supposed to be even better.
     
  8. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    I thought I read somewhere on the boards that DC United was testing the same balls.
     
  9. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Considering how many players seemingly hit every shot they take 5yds over the top of the net, I'm not sure if this dimpled ball stuff is a very good idea.
     
  10. Duff

    Duff New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Re: Dimpled Soccer Balls

    I'm surprised to...those animal rights people are gonna come down hard on MLS!"

    haha...woohoo...nothing like a juvenile joke to liven things up!
     
  11. profiled

    profiled Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy

    Wow my old university was good for something!
     
  12. O'Dubhghaill Rules!

    May 21, 2001
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    I own this ball, and you I've found that you can control the ball more easily. You can really get it to curve pretty well when you want it to but otherwise I've also found that it knuckles more easily than most balls. Just my 2 cents.
     
  13. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Re: Re: Dimpled Soccer Balls

    And I was thinking that you were trying to kill me. ;)

    Sachin
     

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