New Italian Stadium Update Thread

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  1. indestructible

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    Parma are set to unveil a new project soon that will see a complete upgrade of the Ennio Tardini. They say it will be very similar to the Gewiss Arena in Bergamo. That is a complete demolition and rebuilding of the two curvas, and the eastern tribuna

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  2. indestructible

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    Stadium law passes first hurdle
    By Football Italia staff
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    The law change that should allow for old stadiums to be restructured has passed its first hurdle and could be ratified on September 14.

    The rule has been nicknamed Sbloccastadi – Stadium unblocker – and will simplify the current rules that make the restructuring of arenas so difficult in Italy.

    Clubs such as Fiorentina, Genoa, Sampdoria, Bologna, Pescara, Crotone, but even potentially San Siro, could have the opportunity to fundamentally restructure and improve existing venues.

    So far, this has been an avenue fraught with legal difficulty due to the rules that currently consider any structure older than 20 years to be one of architectural significance.

    The change has been passed by the Senate and must now be voted through by the House by the September 14 deadline.

    It is a victory for Fiorentina President Rocco Commisso, who has not been shy about his frustration at the antiquated rules that are holding back investment and modernisation in Italian football.

    This new ruling would resolve the Stadio Franchi issues and allow Commisso to invest in revamping the existing arena.

    In theory, the change could also make it easier for clubs to build their own new stadiums, something that has proved practically impossible for Roma, Lazio and more.

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    This is big news for Fiorentina
     
  3. romanista8910

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    This is great news and a positive step in the right direction.

    They do not to start owning their own stadiums though to really grow the league.
     
  4. indestructible

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  5. indestructible

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  6. indestructible

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    Ready for the champions league

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  7. indestructible

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  8. indestructible

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    OFFICIAL: Krause Group buys Parma
    By Football Italia staff
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    Parma have officially announced the takeover by American tycoon Kyle Krause, who has acquired 90 per cent ownership of the Crociati.

    The Emilian club announced that Krause is the new majority shareholder of Parma Calcio.

    “New beginning – the company made up of entrepreneurs from Parma – Guido Barilla, Giampaolo Dallara, Mauro Del Rio, Marco Ferrari, Angelo Gandolfini, Giacomo Malmesi, Paolo and Pietro Pizzarotti – and Krause Group – the company through which the American Krause family controls a diversified series of businesses that embrace retail, logistics, tourism, wine, real estate, agriculture and sports clubs – are happy to announce the successful acquisition, by the Krause Group, of the controlling stake in Parma Calcio 1913.

    “In particular, Krause Group has acquired 90 per cent of Parma Calcio 1913 srl and 99 per cent of Progetto Stadio Parma srl, the SPV company created to manage the renovation project of the Tardini Stadium.”
     
  9. falvo

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    #659 falvo, Sep 18, 2020
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    Spezia hosts matches at the 10,336-capacity Stadio Alberto Picco.

    Pandemic notwithstanding , how can a stadium like this meet Serie A standards?
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  10. secretariat89

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    This is a good news to Italian football. I’m liking the trend where mostly the takeover of an Italian team are to an American investor. I prefer American investor compare to middle-eastern like how English football has transpired. With the Sbloccastadi rule prevailing, the future is a little brighter for Italian soccer.

    Now they need to sort out their TV rights deal and how to equally distribute the money.
     
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  11. indestructible

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    It doesn’t. Spezia will be playing their home games 300 km away in Cesena
     
  12. indestructible

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    Rocco is ready to tear down the Franchi or head for Campi

    After seeing a piece of the stadium literally fall off, the Viola owner sounds like he’s reaching the end of his tether.

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    Fiorentina’s season-opening win over Torino was about as perfect as it could have been. The Viola dominated the game, imposed themselves, created chances, defended well, and walked away with all three points in front of owner Rocco Commisso, who made it to Italy for the first time in more than half a year. For the fans, it was a good result made even more exciting by the fact that, if Christian Kouamé can routinely nod home simple crosses, this attack could prove devastating.

    You know what could have really sapped all the joy from that? If Rocco had gotten squished by a chunk of the legendary but badly-in-need-of-help Stadio Artemio Franchi. After the game, the Mediacom billionaire held up a small piece concrete that he saw fall off the upper deck during the game and showed it to news cameras as an example of why the stadium needs to be addressed fast, fast, fast.

    We’ve been doing this dance for a decade now and it shows no signs of slowing down. The Della Valles hemmed and hawed about building a new arena at the old Mercafir site but never got past some concept drawings and an endlessly recursive back-and-forth with the city about permitting. Rocco has done a lot more in his brief time in charge, firmly rejecting the Mercafir proposal and submitting several plans of his own, but the syrup-slow bureaucracy of Italian politics have frustrated him at every turn.

    Commisso has clearly made the new stadium his personal project, leaving the day-to-day running of the club to Daniele Pradé and Joe Barone (exactly what you want from an owner), and he fired another round of warning shots towards Florence mayor Dario Nardella yesterday after repeating earlier this week that, although finding space on the Campo di Marte has always been the top priority, he’s got a meeting with Campi Bisenzio mayor Emiliano Fossi this week to discuss creating the facility there.

    “I want to destroy the Franchi. You thought I was joking,” is quite a sound bite. The 70-year-old continued, “The stadium must be built, for the fans and for Florence.” After again relating the incident with the chunk of concrete, he revisited the points he’s made previously about why the club needs to own its own matchday facilities; at this point, we surely don’t need to explain the reasoning.

    His final words on the subject were a pretty stark rejection of those who believe the Franchi’s historical significance renders it untouchable: “A monument? They’re even in Marina di Gioiosa, and yet people have left to make their fortunes. I’m not saying we should throw it away, but there’s a need to look at the economic side. I’m not to destroy the Colosseum or the Palazzo Vecchio.”

    While that sounds pretty harsh, Rocco’s made it very clear that he wants to keep the club in the heart of the city. Figuring out a solution (a free 99-year lease for the land and club ownership of the new stadium?) with Nardella and company sounds like Fiorentina’s preferred option, and the new laws mean that some sort of new project could get done. If the authorities allow the Viola to basically tear down the whole Franchi, barring the iconic Maratona tower and maybe the facade, Commisso will pounce. Otherwise, it’s Campi Bisenzio. Either way, things are pushing forward, even we can’t see the progress.

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  13. Javier.Zanetti

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    http://stadiumdb.com/news/2021/01/italy_billionaire_willing_to_help_build_stadium_in_pisa



    By the way, why are there so many foreigners suddenly interested in taking over clubs in Italy?

    Inter, Ac Milan, Spezia, Como, Siena, Roma, Padova, maybe i missed someone.
     
  14. r0adrunner

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    Presumably being asset-poor, i.e. without owning their own stadiums and, often, without owning their own training facilities, they are relatively cheap.
     
  15. Dante

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    Parma is American owned as well.
     
  16. calabrese8

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    Bologna owned by Canadian Joey Saputo
     
  17. indestructible

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    Venezia are now owned by a former wallstreet guy Duncan Niederauer. The former owner American Joe Tacopina now owns Catania.

    I think like roadrunner said, these clubs are not relatively expensive compared to teams in England. Also if the stadium situation can ameliorate, there is a huge potential for growth of Serie A IMO
     
  18. indestructible

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    Some updates:

    - Stadio della Roma still remains in limbo. There is talk that the new Roma owners could decide to abandon the Tor di Valle project entirely. It all remains to be seen once the land for the project gets sold to a Czech developer Radovan Vitek.

    - Atalanta will continue the construction of the Gewiss this summer. The new end will include underground parking. So i imagine that this phase will take longer.

    - Joey Saputo has chosen the area of the Bologna's temporary stadium while the dall'ara will get renovated. It will be similar to Cagliari's current temp stadium.

    - Another project that remains stagnant is the new Cagliari stadium but this is because of the pandemic. They are hoping to announce a start of the project by april and begin demolishing the old Sant'Elia by the end of the year.
     
  19. Il Ciuccio

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    This pandemic is messing up a lot of things. Who knows when people will even be able to attend games in mass with these new variations of the virus.
     
  20. r0adrunner

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    I'd be very suprised if the Friedkins abandon the Tor di Valle project in favour of a new project at a different site. As the TDV project has shown, whatever site and project is chosen, there is no guarantee of success when you consider the extremely long approval processes and whatever demands - legitimate or not - are made by Italian local governments. Then you always run the risk of a change of power in local government which can scupper a whole project, as happened with the project at TDV.

    Yes, Serie A has much potential, but resolving the infrastructure problem will take a long time. In fact, at the current speed, you would need more than a century for every Serie A club to own its stadium!
     
  21. indestructible

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    Here is a short English article written in October with a good summary on Roma : https://www.chiesaditotti.com/2020/10/13/21514226/stadio-della-roma-vitek-friedkin-tor-di-valle

    Current update: The Friedkins are "taking their time"

    https://romanews.eu/stadio-della-roma-novita-a-fine-marzo-i-friedkin-non-hanno-fretta/

    In Italy I would say their is a mixed bag of good and bad situations. Juventus, Udinese, Atalanta and soon Bologna have had a relatively easy time dealing with their local councils and raising funds for building. I would add Cagliari to this list soon and potentially Parma.

    Then you have cases like Verona where the local councils are willing to build or restructure, but they're seeking investors.

    And then of course your have the bureaucratic nightmares of Roma, the Milan clubs and worst of all Fiorentina where the local authorities are doing their best to stop any development.
     
  22. Dante

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    DIdn't they pass a law recently in Italy to make the process of building stadiums easier? Or is that still one that hasn't been passed?
     
  23. indestructible

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    I don't know at what stage it's at but in the case of Florence, they've already found a workaround. The local city council along with the family of the architect Pier Luigi Nervi are claiming that the Artemio Franchi should be a protected heritage site. This would put it on the same cultural importance as the Colosseum. You can read more here: https://www.archpaper.com/2020/11/p...dio-artemio-franchi-under-threat-in-florence/

    Basically Fiorentina ends will continue to be a mile away from the field so that the city of Florence can preserve these wonderful staircases

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  24. Dante

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    That stadium is so crappy, it's actually sad seeing pictures of the interior.
     
  25. r0adrunner

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    It's not only the stadiums, I have heard reports that the training infrastructure is also incompoarable with facilities in other major European countries. That would make sense given that Serie A clubs generally lack stratgic planning in the way they are managed.
     

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