If you don't think he promised something, why did you say he lied? You made a whole post about that. The answer is he didn't say what you claim and didn't lie. Then you repeated your claim. Your turn. When did he change his tune? If you cant come up with an answer I'll assume I'm right All I see is that every time he has talked about it, he has carefully stated every single time conditions needed to change. Find a quote where he didn't say that when he talked about the possibility of Grass. And he has NEVER said there is 0% if PSU moves out. The best you can get out of that quote is he now probably doesn't think they will move. There is now a new president and AD.
That post was sarcasm. My point was not that he lied, but that he said "50-50" and meant 50-50. 50-50 is different than 0%. 50-50 means there is just as good a chance it will happen as there is that it won't. Don't believe me. Well, looky here: This is not my own definition, it comes from dictionary.com. Click here if you don't believe me. Oh, so the quote from the article, "He specifically said that he doesn’t want to mislead folks on this one, but did put the chances of grass at Jeld-Wen within the next few years at '50-50'" was the lie? Shame on Steve Davis! Misleading all of use innocent soccer fans into thinking he said there was a 50-50 chance. Well, I guess since he never said 50-50 and it was all a hoax perpetrated by Steve Davis and then futher by your posting it here, I guess he never changed his tune and it was 0% all along. My apologies. I never said he didn't state conditions need to change. I only said that it looks like the chances of grass are less now than they were a year ago. In fact, even Merritt said that... Hmm... strange how he's saying he has changed his perspective from a year ago, even though you say he hasn't. Maybe you need to talk to PSU about this?
Still waiting for you to demonstrate he changed his thinking. All the percentage crap is bullsh*t. It is guesses. He is now "not so sure". ( on what was a coin flip. is there anything more unsure than 50-50?) he never said 0% That is your invention. Show where he said that. The has always said Stuff needs to change and it hasn't. The only thing that has changed is the PSU people he needs to deal with. He is now a year closer to the 2016 timeline With no progress. Naturally he would be less sure.
Yes, that is correct. And if you had wanted to argue with me that his "not so sure" is not 0%, then that would've been fine, and I would've said, that you are correct about it, he didn't state a value which leaves it open to interpretation. But instead you started by saying how he didn't change his opinion at all, and then you went in to saying how he didn't say 50-50 and that PSU has to leave first. How in the hell is any of that constructive to your now stated argument? So, you might say it changed to be 51-49 or just to no definite number at all. Fine. Whatever. That part is open to interpretation. But to say he hasn't changed anything in his statement is categorically false when he just said he did. And that was what your original response was, saying that he previously said it was a 50-50 chance. So that's what I responded to with my 0% chance statement. So guess what? If you had just accepted that he had changed his mind from the outside (which I'll point out again, that he implicitly states he did), I never would've even said anything about the 0%, because I was leaving that up to everyone else to form their own opinion on that. But no, you had to argue about my post cause you thought it was somehow slighting Portland for not installing grass even though I never said anything that could be remotely construed as wanting them to install grass. Like seriously dude, I know you are very knowledgable and passionate about Portland soccer, which is why I don't block you, but sometimes discussing stuff with you is extremely frustrating.
Holden, I think this statement drew a reaction. One of the good things about Paulson is that frequently he thinks out loud. This is something that BigSoccer posters call for, that they be kept more in the loop as to what owners are thinking. So, that's exactly what Paulson did, then some things changed*, and he said something different later. Your conclusion, based on the change in what he said, is that his first statement was a lie -- heaven forbid the possibility that extraneous factors caused him to change his mind or that, regardless of extraneous factors he simply re-analyzed things and changed his mind. So far as you're concerned he lied, period. (I suspect you may change your mind about whether he lied, but it is what you said. And, if you do change your mind, I promise not to wonder why you would have lied about it in the quoted statement.) Having spent most of my work career in and around public life, I can tell you that one of the most deadly things people can do, if they want those in public life to share their thinking, is to call them liars when they lay out their thinking one day and then arrive at different conclusions and express them on another day. People, including public figures, change their minds and that does not make them liars. *Portland State has been going through an athletic facilities evaluation over the last few years. I'm somewhat familiar with that, although not with the details, because the high school where I coached tennis until I retired this year is immediately adjacent to the PSU campus and the school has been involved in some sharing of athletic facilities with PSU and will have some ongoing sharing in the future. PSU's evaluation has been a big project with very big implications and possibilities -- for example, my understanding is that their major indoor facility where they play basketball is going to be demolished and replaced. One part of the evaluation had to do with whether they would continue to play football at Providence Park -- their women used to play soccer there but have moved to Hillsboro Stadium, about 20 minutes away, which also can accommodate football -- and my understanding is that a relatively recent decision has been that they will not move their football to Hillsboro, at least in the near future, because they think it's important for their football games to be near the campus. (Which suggests, of course, that having football near the campus matters whereas having women's soccer near the campus doesn't.)
The frustration goes both ways. Just this evening you have misstated sides of the discussion to meet you ends, about the financing of Turf replacement, the commitment Paulson has stated about the possibility of grass, and what he and I actually said. In this last bit you state he implicitly said he changed his mind. You may have inferred it. He neither stated nor implied any change in basic outlook, just about getting it done by 2016 with a year already gone from the last time. That's different. I fully believe he wants grass and wants PSU and high school football out of PP. And he wants to know he could actually grow grass in late fall. (Grow lights and heated Turf) and he has said so at least as far back as August 2013. Even if he just got rid of PSU ( 5 or 6 games a year). and Central Catholic(10 games this year) that's about 15 dates he could Book. And there are other schools that play there. It's probably enough he could kick in towards another venue. And PSU could charge the high schools in the new venue. The only real question is being able to deal with a University administration that has been wildly in flux. And that's the real issue, not him changing his mind. He's a smart guy. He won't say that the folks he is trying to deal with are flakes across the 405, but they are when it comes to Sports.
No, I was not saying he lied. As I said, I was being sarcastic. As I followed up: Now, I am willing to admit it might not be 0%, as I told CliveWorshipper in a previous post. I don't want to nitpick on the exact amount, as I do think it is open to interpretation. My problem was Cliveworshipper's original response to me was that Paulson didn't change from his statement a year ago, when Paulson clearly says he has. I have no problem with him changing his mind. That's why I posted that quote. I was surmising what lead him to change his mind was the new FieldTurf replacement schedule. If you or Cliveworshipper wanted to argue that was not what lead him to change his mind, that would've been a good discussion. I do not know for sure what lead him to change his mind, as I am not him. It could very well be because of behind the scenes stuff with the new PSU people. It could be a combination of the two. But, until someone asks him what made him change his mind and he responds with an answer, we'll never know for sure. No, as I said I said I said, it was sarcasm. To reiterate, Cliveworshipper was the one saying he didn't change his mind. I thought he had. So I responded sarcastically to his assertion that he hadn't. And see, this is what I posted that quote for. I wanted to read responses like this. Thank you! This is very knowledgable information and I appreciate seeing your local point of view. An outsider like me can never fully understand without getting insights like this. (And that last statement you made in the parenthesis.... woah! You really have to wonder why PSU decided that)
OK, so now you are saying that grammatically "A year ago I would have said... now..." does not implicitly state that his opinion is different than a year ago? Huh? So he did change his mind? Like I said, I am not pushing for grass. I have never ever stated here or anywhere else (and you have never been able to point out somewhere that I have) that they should switch to grass. I posted it because I thought it was an interesting change and that it might be related to the 2 year replacement schedule. If you don't think it has anything to do with the replacement schedule changes, I am willing to listen to that. But that is not what you have been arguing about with me for the past few hours. Instead you are nitpicking things like how I phrased my statement wrong to imply Portland is changing the turf. Well, sorry again. I admitted I was wrong about that. 3 times now, even. Where have you ever admitted you were wrong? Nowhere. So now how is it that I'm so frustrating to you when I can admit when I'm wrong, but you are never wrong? It's just so frustrating because you are perfect and I (like everyone else on this planet except you) am not? OK, this is a good one, where have I misstated what you said?
Short and sweet: Show where I was the one who said the chances were 0%. You are arguing with yourself. Anything else?
troll. Give the whole quote And YOU are crying about being frustrated? You are STILL twisting what has been said.
Yeah right. That really changes nothing. The PSU factor has not changed. As you said, they were there a year ago and they are there now. You said "it was always zero," which means it was 0% now, 0% a year ago, and 0% 2 years ago, etc. That is contrary to Merritt Paulson saying it was 50-50 a year ago. It can't be both 0% a year ago and 50-50 a year ago. So if it was always 0%, then Merritt lied. If Merritt didn't lie and it wasn't always 0%, then you are wrong. How does that frustrate you other than the fact that you have to either call Merritt a liar or admit you were wrong?
We are done you make no sense and don't know how to read either what I or Merrit have said. You are the only person who said it was 50% last year and Zero this year. Read your own post and get frustrated with that. ' nite.
Oh, so now neither you, Merritt, nor Steve Davis said "He specifically said that he doesn’t want to mislead folks on this one, but did put the chances of grass at Jeld-Wen within the next few years at '50-50.'" Right, OK... I guess Pro Soccer Talk's database or webserver is now the one that created that statement. Or is it not them but my web browser that is nefariously changing "zero" to "50-50"? I mean, c'mon man, even cpthomas stated that Paulson changed his mind. Why are you continuing to insist that he didn't?
Two can play this game. Clipping quotes again, tsk, tsk. Here is a whole two sentences. Which post did I say any of that? Do you not understand a conditional sentence? Are your meds ok?