Neverending Story 3: The Ongoing Brexit Thread

Temporarily. It's because of the immigrants getting into the stats. Once they integrated and have healthy diets they will add centimeters to their height.

 

Somebody didn't read the article...

 

Don't need the article as the subject has been discussed on Dutch tv.

 

One of the weird things they mentioned on tv was that they talked about Dutch with both parents born in the Netherlands or with all four grandparents being born in the Netherlands.

To put that in perspective first it has to be mentioned one cannot distinguish native Dutch from non native Dutch as we donot register race or religion or country of origin in our citizens database. This is because of the German occupation using our very good pre war population database, which included info like religion, for their painfully effective hunt for Jews. So after the war all that was scrapped.

Once someone is born from parents who themselves were born in the Netherlands, there's no way to distinguish them from native Dutch, apart from how their names sound.
So in that bunch they mentioned as shrinking "proper Dutch" they included people who were second or third generation imports.

In my family about for of my aunts married Moluccan men in the 1950ies, who were brought to the Netherlands after the independence of Indonesia. Also marriages in my family took place with Dutch-Indo people.
The Moluccan and Dutch-Indo men were considerably shorter than the Dutch, even before the growth spurt. We are now in the 4th and 5th generation and my nieces of the 4th and 5th generation are taller than than 1.75 meter.
So about how many of that former Dutch-Indies influx are we talking? The Moluccans came in with about 12,000 people, the Dutch and Dutch-Indo repatriation was about 300,000-400,000 people. These now are about 1.2-1.4 million.
The migration of people with now 2nd generation presence is too short ago to have bridged the gap in length with the Dutch. On top of that immigrants tend to have more children than Dutch in the first settled generations. So there's a reason to not fully trust what the researchers are saying, when they refer to Dutch with two parents or 4 grand parents born in the Netherlands. It means nothing.
I watched the length of my family members with the Dutch-Indies roots each generation grow and no shrinking compared to their parents.

 

Pffttt... they're all stupidfaces anyway so who cares.

 

A good illustration about that 2001 length issue is the length of Dutch soccer players born in or around 2001.

 

Then what did Dutch TV say about stagnant height stats among people born with four Dutch grandparents, as per the study?

Oh and do provide evidence.

 

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See above.

 

I think this is interesting for you, the link to the extensive CBS article itself. It's in Dutch, so you have to use google translate. That can give some off resulting translations, but when you think a part is iffy translated, copy it and PM it to me, so I can check it and if necesary correct it.
https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/longread/s...gteontwikkeling-van-nederlanders/3-resultaten

 

You're really brave when you know you have backup!

 

No I'm not gonna PM you. I'm gonna take this one out on you right here. From this link, translated:

You make this far too easy.

 

If you think TLW would back me up you're mistaken

 

It only shows I've no ego to protect. I give the info on subjects necesary to make opinions, whether these are pro or against what I posted.
On the PM offer, it wasnot to discus in private the subject, it was an offer to correct Google translations if YOU thought the translation is off.
Boy, you really are something, arenot you? To morph a genuine offer inbto some thing to keep things out of sight.
Yeah, it just shows the difference between you and me.

 

One of us can read and the other cannot?

 

Selective reading isnot reading better.
The quote you made is just a tiny bit of the whole report and exactly the part they havenot justified in the rest of the report dealing with it.
You're so wrong, it's painfull.
I already gave hints why the CBS can't draw conclusions dividing the population in "original" Dutch and the rest.
You have no clue about Dutch society and show it each time you start about it.
By the way, how are the birth numbers for august 2021?

 

The Dutch birth numbers for August are, as I expected last year, quite good. Because Dutch families postponed (or delayed) births to avoid the first COVID lockdown. Again, as I said.

 

Take the matter in hand?

 

Takes one to know one...

 

To be more specific, they delayed conception.

 

Reports going around that they're going to relax the visa rules to get allow more HGV drivers into the UK to relieve the supply chain pressures.
Which is strange as they have been repeating that the driver shortage is a Europe-wide thing, so how are there spare drivers to come over?