Neverending Story 3: The Ongoing Brexit Thread

many of them, his.

 

This Diana musical looks weird

https://www.express.co.uk/news/roya...x-twitter-reaction-broadway-diana-the-musical

 

There was an article the other day that pointed out, it was the way they did it that's the real problem. Nobody was ever asked if they wanted to leave the single market and, if they had been, they'd have had to explain what it was first.

 

It's a real pity there wasn't an Opposition party dedicated to explaining this all clearly.

 

The problems weren't explained? Er... I think they were.

The problem was one part of the meeja either pretended it was all lies and the other part continued their chicken little 'sky is falling' bullshit which allowed them to get away with it.

 

We were told unequivocally by the Leave campaign that there were no plans to leave the Single Market.
Cameron (or it may have been Osbourne) did actually point out that we would almost certainly have to leave both the Customs Union and Single Market for the Brexit unicorns to materialise, and the was, as usual, dismissed as Project Fear.
The ultimate problem is that nobody was willing to hold Johnson, Gove, Farage etc to account for their lies and false promises, which were plastered all over the media.

 

Yeah, the 'brexit means brexit' bullshit started after the vote as far as the leavers were concerned.

 

Proably a sizeable chunk, but then there were the likes of Johnson and Farage who would say whatever they needed to get what they wanted.

 

Many did but many didn't. TBH some of them didn't seem to understand what the single market and customs union were anyway.

And if there'd been clear political direction I'm sure they would have done, but...

Exactly.

The problems didn't become apparent until May's 'brexit means brexit' nonsense because it made it obvious that she had absolutely ZERO intention of confronting the 'Farage-lite' head-bangers in her own party. Many of them were almost like the northern Ireland protestants and their line of 'no ******* surrender'.

If she'd been prepared to work with opposition parties, (as she had to eventually anyway when her own lot were cutting up rough which is why I reject that this is somehow someone else's fault), we could likely have able to come to a joint position which meant leaving the EU but effectively remaining in the single market and customs union.

Unfortunately, (for her), that would have meant her getting something through largely with labour, liberal and SNP votes and she was too much of a political coward to do it, despite her alleged 'love' for her country

For me, the tragedy of all this is that we had the worst PM, (till then), in our history when Cameron decided not to actually ASK people what they wanted to do regarding 2 of the 3 aspects of the EU they were considering changing... EU membership, SM membership and and CU membership.

We then had the new worst PM in our history, (since the guy immediately before), who was a chicken-shit who wouldn't do what was best for the country rather than the tories.

We followed THAT up by the new, new worst PM since the woman immediately before him and the guy immediately before her.

So while it's fair to criticise other politicians, (including labour but then you'd have to add the liberals and SNP for accuracy), this should really be laid solely at the tories who prioritised immigration over pretty much EVERYTHING else.

 

I think this is right, I just wanted to vent that Labour should be, right now, shouting "WE TOLD YOU SO" and they can't because they kept trying to appease to Northern English and Northern Welsh Leave voters who have just left the party.

 

Fair enough

I get what you're saying but, in all honesty, it's been just as much of a problem, (and was more of a problem after the vote), that some on the right of labour and the LibDems kept maintaining that the voters had 'got it wrong' and had to do their homework again... sorry, I meant 'confirm their intentions with another vote'.

THAT was a difficult 'sell' because it was directly contrary to what was said by the same people, (as well as everyone else), before the vote. It would have been better to have coalesced around a middle course and made that the opposition line.

So whether some have left the party, (I assume you meant stopped voting for us in 2019 rather than left the party?), I think people will drift back over a period as the political position stabilises.

More to the point the tories won't be able to continue their pretense that nothing will change when it already has. There's some evidence of that in recent polling I believe.

 

I think this is the main problem.

 

You have to include the Lancaster House speech, where she declared a full, hard Brexit.

 

Cabinet reshuffle -- Who Cares Edition

 

Well, those comfort-loving Ozzie trade ministers for a start...

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ias-trade-minister-a-serious-setback-to-talks

The Telegraph in the UK quoted a source close to Truss as saying: “She plans to sit him down in the Locarno Room [in the Foreign Office] in an uncomfortable chair, so he has to deal with her directly for nine hours.”​

She's had a promotion

 

Does anyone know what's going on with Barnier?

https://www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-brexit-france-candidate-eu-campaign-trail/

Is he just trying to burnish his 'independent' credentials so he can get the conservative leadership gig?

I guess that's the most likely reason but, even so, not sure how that will go down with his erstwhile colleagues or how believable it will be with the voters.

 

A couple of concerns. Nadine Dories at Culture, probably to screw up the BBC even more. Raab at Justice and Lord Chancellor - a man who "doesn't believe in the Human Rights act". I would say Truss is also laughably out of her depth in the Foreign Office, but anyone who would take a job for Johnson would be.

By and large though, it was sacking/demotion for the most unpopular among Tory members.

Also, Gove has been given a brief to "fix" the food supply chains. Not sure why this is needed, as Briitain held all of the cards heading into those sunlit uplands.

 

Johnson's problem is that if he says 'I'm sacking you coz you're fecking useless' to anyone they'd ask him if he'd looked in the mirror lately.

It's only people like Gavin 'no-mates' Williamson he can sack because everyone detests that bastard even more than Johnson.

Well, him and people like Jenrick who even his wife and kids aren't too sure who he is.