Netherlands Hospital Euthanizes Babies

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Ian McCracken, Nov 30, 2004.

  1. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
    USA
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    SS Lazio Roma
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    Italy
    This is absolutely repulsive.

    Netherlands Hospital Euthanizes Babies

    AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - A hospital in the Netherlands - the first nation to permit euthanasia - recently proposed guidelines for mercy killings of terminally ill newborns, and then made a startling revelation: It has already begun carrying out such procedures, which include administering a lethal dose of sedatives.

    The announcement by the Groningen Academic Hospital came amid a growing discussion in Holland on whether to legalize euthanasia on people incapable of deciding for themselves whether they want to end their lives - a prospect viewed with horror by euthanasia opponents and as a natural evolution by advocates.

    In August, the main Dutch doctors' association KNMG urged the Health Ministry to create an independent board to review euthanasia cases for terminally ill people "with no free will," including children, the severely mentally retarded and people left in an irreversible coma after an accident.
     
  2. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
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    Interesting article.

    However, experts acknowledge that doctors euthanize routinely in the United States and elsewhere, but that the practice is hidden.

    "Measures that might marginally extend a child's life by minutes or hours or days or weeks are stopped. This happens routinely, namely, every day," said Lance Stell, professor of medical ethics at Davidson College in Davidson, N.C., and staff ethicist at Carolinas Medical Center in Charlotte, N.C. "Everybody knows that it happens, but there's a lot of hypocrisy. Instead, people talk about things they're not going to do."

    More than half of all deaths occur under medical supervision, so it's really about management and method of death, Stell said.


    The kids are terminally ill, and the parents consent. If that's the slippery slope, then I guess I'm on my snowboard, dude.
     
  3. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
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    Yes, there's nothing like pointlessly extending a small tot's agony just so that you don't transcend any of your retarded ideological preoccupations, eh Ian?

    You're the repulsive one.
     
  4. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
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    Yet another severely retarded thread by Ian. Quick, somebody euthanize it before Carl Cellar chimes in...
     
  5. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    See, if the kids had just been aborted 7 months earlier like God intended, we wouldn't be having this problem.
     
  6. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

    Nov 5, 2002
    Northern Virginia
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    Doctors, administrators, and all staff associated with this "hospital" should be escorted to the rear of facility, lined up against suitable wall, and promptly executed, as a 'mercy' to the rest of the civilized world!
     
  7. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    You don't want to destroy Holland's image as vile baby-killing liberal luvvies do you now?
     
  8. DJPoopypants

    DJPoopypants New Member

    If I had less scruples, I'd pull the republican tactic of attacking the humanity and decency of the "other".

    Oh wait, I forgot, I don't have scruples.

    People like Ian are against helping babies. They want to see them twist and cry in pain as they struggle to fight against the death sentence that God has decreed for them. People like Ian want to see them die in the most painfull way possible, and probably want the mother and father to watch the whole time.
     
  9. fishbiproduct

    fishbiproduct New Member

    Mar 29, 2002
    Pasadena Ca.
    In all fairness, what the article fails to point out is that, after
    killing the babies, these "Dutch death doctors" TM. eat them for
    breakfast!!!
     
  10. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Of course they do! In their windmill.
     
  11. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
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    Switzerland
    ...and stuffed with Gouda.

    PS: stop producing our Emmentaler you wooden-shoed tulip lovers.
     
  12. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Gladly if you stop making them annoying cuckoo clocks.
     
  13. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
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    Let me guess, Ian - you have no children?
     
  14. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Chicago
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    Couldn't have said it better myself.
     
  15. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
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    I doubt they kill as many babies as god does through miscarriages.

    God's a murderer!
     
  16. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    While listening to Beethoven.
     
  17. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
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    Oh, I think we all realise that. "Ian" pretends to approach this from a humane point of view, but as with all of the extremely stupid end of the rightwing nutjob brigade, it's just cynical bluster. Given the choice of

    a) a tiny little life being one of wretched, horrible agony for longer than it needs to be

    b) having to probe the dittohead ideologies that form his sole reason for continuing to exist,

    obviously Ian wants that baby screaming. And I mean "purple-in-the-face-every-inch-of-it's-miniscule-form-in-deathless-agony" screaming. It would, we must presume, actually make him feel right about the world. And yes, he wants the parents to watch.

    We all need something to make us feel alive, after all.
     
  18. DJPoopypants

    DJPoopypants New Member

    Oh no! the dreaded neg rep from a retard! My life in in ruins!
     
  19. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

    Nov 5, 2002
    Northern Virginia
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    Yes...expecially medical folk and physicians...
    Matt=> reread the Hippocratic Oath then come back and apologize!
     
  20. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
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    I see the liberals are still bitter over their election loss.
     
  21. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    "expecially"?

    I do hope you're just trying to be funny there.




    It's bizarre that we routinely euthanize our pets to "put them out of their misery" but we're not willing to extend the same privlege to our human loved ones.



    I'm virtually certain that, because of the morphine they gave my mom when she was dying that she probably died a few hours sooner than she would have without it. And thank god, too. Before the morphine she was literally gasping for every breath, in awful pain and agony, her body was literally drowning itself. But then they gave her enough morphine so that she was able to have a few hours of reasonably peaceful sleep during which she died.

    I am grateful to everyone at that hospice for sparing her that suffering and if I had a baby that I knew had no hope, then I'd want to spare it every bit of suffering that I could.

    It's called compassion. You "pro-life" types might want to look into it sometime.
     
  22. zverskiy yobar

    zverskiy yobar BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Mar 10, 2002
    so children with disabilities should be executed?(thats what those dutch doctors are doing.. executing someone for having pain)

    Stephen Hawkings would have fit into the classification for these "Doctors" check list of who is executable.So would countless other great thinkers, humanitarians, and social revolutionaries.But people should not be judged on their worthiness to live by what they have accomplished or what they have not accomplished.Nor should another man have the right to decide to execute someone for potential pain.




     
  23. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    Which part of "terminally ill" confused you?

    Except that he wasn't disabled as an infant. On the other hand, I think that he should have the right to be euthanized now if he chooses.
     
  24. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
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    NPR had an excellent piece about this. The kids who were euthanized all had the parents consent and apparently all had spinal bifida. I've got three kids and am thankful every day they are healthy. I'd hate to be faced with that choice.

    As a parent, I'd at least want to have the choice - given extreme circumstances.

    Ian, is this practice worse than kids not having health insurance?
     
  25. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
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    Could you be a bigger jackass?



    (Please note that it's not a personal attack if it's in the form of a question.)
     

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