Nestor Lorenzo

Discussion in 'Colombian National Team' started by ryu79, Jun 1, 2022.

  1. kromekote

    kromekote Member+

    May 22, 2012
    Club:
    America de Cali
    I love the positivity but we haven't played 1 official tournament where points matter. I'm still not a fan of how we are playing at the start of games and how we finish.

    Pluses so far:

    + Strikers have started to score during his campaign : Borre (2), Duran (1)
    + Overall lots of player involvement offensively 11 goals in 5 games (Guatemala, Mexico, USA, Korea, Japan)
    + Younger blood AMFs/Wingers have also made a big impact : Sini, Carrascal, Arias, Yaser, Valoyes
    + DFM - we have deep talent in this pivotal role - Castano, Barrios, Lerma
    + Box to Box - Old guard: Mateus, Campuzano, Cuellar -- New guard: Palacios, Puerta, Borrero
    + Munoz has earned that RB position for WCQ
    + Machado may be his best 'new' find
    + Much more dynamic team, less dependent on 1 single playmaker

    Needs to work on:

    + Team's overall 'concentration' from1st 15 min start to last 15 min end.
    + Mojica is not terrible as a backup option but will need one more LB
    + Munoz needs a back up or two
    + Vargas did well today - but I don't get the feeling he's got the job - Both our GKs (Ospina + Vargas) are 34 and may
    still hold up ok with WCQ.
    + Defense is OK - he's got alternatives but I don't trust Sanchez despite a + game today. Feel like our CB line needs a ton of work (Mina is too injury prone)
    + Finding 2-3 gems that with good club form can give this team a big +

    Looking Ahead:

    + How will Diaz fit into this team
    + How will he handle JFQ/James/Falcao/C4 players we depended on for so long( so far so good but nothing really at play just yet)
    + Duran and Borre are great options on top but still need another 9 that can finish. Can't rule out Duvan/Muriel/Suarez/Unknown players
     
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  2. Froboy69

    Froboy69 Member+

    Inter Milan
    Colombia
    Mar 25, 2011
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I am happy that this guy is so far the most reasonable of coaches we've seen since Pekerman; yeah Pekerman had his issues but he at least got results for the most part.

    Here I am seeing a coach who isn't afraid to make changes when it's justified and he's actually taking the time to experiment and properly use the talent pool that is available to us. He shows how intelligent he is and isn't driven by ego. He's clearly gaining respect from the players more and more after each match that we have and he's showcasing reasonable choices in the full context of giving the players that he's used a fair chance while eyeing for the future.

    So far I feel that we are in good hands but I have to also agree that it'll matter a lot more as a real test when qualifiers and our first tournament with him comes up....
     
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  3. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    If he wasn't calling Falcao and James I'm pretty sure EVERYONE would be praising the hell out of him.

    He's brought in several new players and several of them very young. Dudes like Duran and Castano NEVER would have been called in at this point in their careers by our previous coaches. They've both started and impressed.

    He's had to deal with several injuries. At no point has the team lost stride.

    Most importantly, he has a vision. For instance, he doesn't give a damn that Borre and Duran are barely playing and haven't scored gols in months. He clearly values their positional versatility and what they offer in the pressing game--a more modern tactic that no previous Colombian coach ever worked on.

    And he doesn't give a damn that Duvan and Muriel are healthy. He's implanting a hungry culture in the team, lead by a few select veterans. And even some of those veterans, like Cuadrado, are being weeded out.
     
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  4. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Well said.

    It's a careful balance, when picking guys who aren't playing.

    I remember not too long ago people worried that we didn't have replacements for the older guys, looks like we now have a strong core of young guys whom we can build around. Is Castaño a well known guy in the local league? If not, it's a great find. Similar to when Pekerman discovered Barrios in those microciclo things

    No doubt it'll be a matter of time before yet more guys come through.

    And this is despite the massive amount of underwhelming players that we've had to deal with (Atuesta, Perez, etc.)
     
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  5. Azucarero

    Azucarero Member+

    May 9, 2008
    Castano has been Aguilas' boss for a bit now. However, if you play for Aguilas, how well known are you really? I barely payed attention to the guy before Lorenzo called him in.

    Pekerman would've called him in for a microciclo. However, he's the kind of dude who probably would only get a real call up after he transferred to Nacional--kind of like Munoz and Uribe.

    Actually, by writing that, I realized who Lorenzo's next discovery will be: Nelson Deossa. Fits the profile: athletically unimpressive, but great leader who can do a bit of everything.
     
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  6. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Deossa have struggled a lot of to adapt in all his teams....reports sugest bad behaviour and that he never played competitive football before his late discovery.
     
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  7. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    I've been harsh on him not calling certain guys, but you bring up some good points about him giving a lot of new guys a chance which is really good, and him committing to building a pressing team is also super positive. TBH icing out Cuadrado is probably one of the best things he's done.
     
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  8. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    James>>Cuadrado
     
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  9. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
  10. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
     
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  11. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Woah a young lorenzo
     
  12. krass

    krass Member+

    Aug 18, 2008
    he was already wearing that red wine short .. unbelievable
     
  13. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
  14. villus

    villus Member+

    Jun 5, 2008
    You nailed it really, he's taken the same tactics of that Peruvian team and implemented them for us.
     
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  15. Froboy69

    Froboy69 Member+

    Inter Milan
    Colombia
    Mar 25, 2011
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I get such a Joachim Löw vibe; a former assistant of another coach who previously managed the same team to promising yet disappointing results, and has improved on what knowledge and experience he gained under said manager.

    Lorenzo can easily progress our national team in the right direction for years to come.

    Assuming that he doesn't begin making terrible choices.
     
  16. J-Mezzy

    J-Mezzy Member+

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    He’s better than Low and doesn’t eat his boogers
     
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  17. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Well.... hopefully he gets more assistant coaches and the U20/U17 coaches are picked by him and trained by him. The coaches we have in the league are really really bad. A lot of these guys are 20+ year failures that they keep giving chances to.

    Falcao retires in 6-12 months he should come on join the coaching staff. As a Striker coach or whatever. After 2026 if Argentina drops their coach and comes after Lorenzo. Who will we have in the pipeline. Perea should have coached the U23.
     
  18. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
    Staff Member

    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Because he's not managing GERMany ;)
     
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  19. SiempreCrema

    SiempreCrema Moderator
    Staff Member

    Deportivo Independiente Miraflores
    Peru
    Feb 4, 2015
    Club:
    Universitario de Deportes
    Nat'l Team:
    Peru
    Happy to hear it, Melgar have gone downhill since he's left. They are still a good team but it's impossible to call them the runaway best team anymore.
     
  20. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Néstor Lorenzo reveló la clave de su éxito con la selección Colombia: “Cada meta tiene una importancia” - Infobae

    Good stuff. Especially the ending:

    Finalmente, Lorenzo compartió una frase motivacional que se encuentra en el camerino de la selección Colombia: “Jueguen como niños, con el corazón, felices”. Esta frase, según el técnico, es clave para mantener al grupo motivado antes de cada partido.

    I cannot describe in words how much I like our coach and his approach. Fantastic.
     

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