NCAA Tournament -Whos In

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  1. EJDad

    EJDad New Member

    Aug 26, 2004
    Princeton clinched the Ivy League title and an NCAA birth yesterday. Is anyone else in?
    What are the thoughts about everyone else? Shoe-ins? Bubbles?
     
  2. forwhy

    forwhy New Member

    Apr 29, 2003
    st. louis is on the bubble.
     
  3. ussoccr

    ussoccr Member

    Feb 5, 2003
    Fantasy Tournament Bracket

    From the way too much time on my hands department:

    Here is a "fantasy" bracket for the tournament. It is based on current records, poll status, and geographic location (minimizing travel as the NCAA would like to do as much as possible). It also assumes that all of the regular season conference champions will win their tournaments (which won't happen).

    Just something to get us thinking ahead to next Monday when the real experts (cough, cough) release their official pairings. The pairings are listed in an order such as if you drew bracket lines, you would have the tournament. Numbers before teams indicate tournament seeding (1-16):

    Southeast Region

    @ Chapel Hill, NC
    #1 North Carolina (16-0-1) vs. Mississippi St. (9-8-3)
    SMU (13-3-3) vs. Middle Tennessee St. (12-4-0)

    @ Gainesville, FL
    Boston College (14-5-0) vs. Alabama-Birmingham (12-5-1)
    UNC-Asheville (10-5-2) vs. #16 Florida (13-3-3)

    @Auburn, AL
    #9 Auburn (14-2-2) vs. Samford (9-6-1)
    Colorado (13-4-2) vs. Wake Forest (12-5-1)

    @Knoxville, TN
    Florida Atlantic (11-2-0) vs. West Virginia (14-5-0)
    Northwestern (10-7-2) vs. #8 Tennessee (13-3-2)


    West Region

    @Portland, OR
    #5 Portland (16-3-0) vs. Arizona State (8-8-1)
    Dayton (18-1-0) vs. California (10-4-3)

    @Tuscon, AZ
    Stanford (12-4-2) vs. Loyola Marymount (10-6-3)
    UC-Santa Barbara (12-5-2) vs. #12 Arizona (14-4-0)

    @Los Angeles, CA
    #13 UCLA (12-6-0) vs. Nebraska (12-7-0)
    San Diego (10-7-2) vs. Oral Roberts (13-5-0)

    @ Santa Clara, CA
    UNLV (12-3-2) vs. Washington (12-4-1)
    Portland State (8-7-3) vs. #4 Santa Clara (13-4-2)


    East Region

    @ University Park, PA
    #3 Penn State (16-1-1) vs. Farleigh Dickinson (8-8-3)
    UNC-Greensboro (13-4-1) vs. Louisville (11-4-3)

    @ Durham, NC
    Villanova (13-5-1) vs. Hosftra (12-5-1)
    Colgate (11-6-1) vs. #14 Duke (12-6-0)

    @ Princeton, NJ
    #11 Princeton (14-2-0) vs. Michigan (10-7-2)
    Florida State (12-5-1) vs. Binghamton (12-5-1)

    @ Charlottesville, VA
    Loyola, MD (14-3-0) vs. Yale (11-4-0)
    Detroit (10-7-1) vs. #6Virginia (14-2-1)


    Midwest Region

    @ Lawrence, KS
    #7 Kansas (16-3-0) vs. Gonzaga (11-8-0)
    Wisconsin (15-4-1) vs. Steven F. Austin St. (11-4-3)

    @ College Station, TX
    Texas (11-5-2) vs. St. Louis (13-5-1)
    Marquette (11-7-1) vs. #10 Texas A&M (14-5-0)

    @ Columbus, OH
    #15 Ohio State (13-3-3) vs. Connecticut (15-6-0)
    Illinois (12-4-2) vs. Utah (11-5-2)

    @ South Bend, IN
    Kent State (11-3-0) vs. Drake (12-4-3)
    Wisconsin-Milwaukee (10-7-2) vs. #2 Notre Dame (18-0-1)
     
  4. EJDad

    EJDad New Member

    Aug 26, 2004
    Re: Fantasy Tournament Bracket

    Now that the first round of many Conference tournaments have concluded, what changes do we see? Any teams that lost still have a chance at an At-Large? Who needs to get the Automatic to go?
     
  5. Klee

    Klee Member

    Feb 24, 2001
    Chapel Hill, NC
    Re: Fantasy Tournament Bracket

    I hope you have some more time on your hands ussoccr. I loved your Fantasy bracket and would like to see you (or someone else) revise it.

    By the way, when will the tournament PTBs give us the real thing? Anybody know? I guess tomorrow.
     
  6. UFGator98

    UFGator98 Member

    Aug 13, 2001
    Florida
    The brackets are announced today, between 4 and 5pm ET on ESPNews. I'm sure the NCAA site will have the bracket up shortly after it's announced, if you can't watch the announcement on tv.
     
  7. XYZ

    XYZ New Member

    Apr 16, 2000
    Big Cat Country
    Campbell is in as a conference champion.

    UAB is in after defeating St. Louis U. 2-1 on Saturday in the C-USA final.

    BTW, Kansas will not host. Their facilities are inadequate as discussed in the 'Kansas' thread. This is why Missouri hosted last year.
     
  8. XYZ

    XYZ New Member

    Apr 16, 2000
    Big Cat Country
    A couple more conference champions:

    Ohio Valley - Eastern Illinois (defeated Samford 3-2)

    Missouri Valley - Creighton (defeated Drake 3-1)
     
  9. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Fantasy Tournament Bracket

    So where's Maryland? With victories over Duke and UCLA (and a tie against UVA) and 2 of their losses to UNC, both in overtime?
     
  10. EJDad

    EJDad New Member

    Aug 26, 2004
    Dayton, Colgate and Binghamton are all in as AQs

    Penn State, ND and UNC all lost in their conference finals but are in regardless. Who else is in this group?
    Are there 23 AQs? That leaves 41 at-larges.

    How many are we up to? The spots start getting tight!
     
  11. UFGator98

    UFGator98 Member

    Aug 13, 2001
    Florida
    Florida is in as the AQ, and Tennessee and Auburn from the SEC are shoe ins(I think all 3 have made a case to host the 1st 2 rounds as well). Not sure if the league will get any others, as Vandy and MSU are the only 2 other teams eligible to make it. They finished 4th and 5th in the league, but that probably won't be enough.
     
  12. EJDad

    EJDad New Member

    Aug 26, 2004
    What is happening on the West coast? Who are the AQs and who else deserve a shot?
     
  13. ussoccr

    ussoccr Member

    Feb 5, 2003
    There are at least 29 AQs. Might be 30 if the Southwestern gets an AQ (they did not last year).

    ACC: Virginia
    American East: Binghamton
    Atlantic Sun: Campbell
    Atlantic 10: Dayton
    Big East: Connecticut
    Big Sky: Weber State
    Big South: Birmingham-Southern
    Big 10: Ohio State
    Big 12: Texas A&M
    Big West: Cal Poly
    Colonial: Virginia Commonwealth
    Conference USA: Alabama-Birmingham
    Horizon: Detroit
    Ivy League: Princeton
    MAAC: Loyola (MD)
    MAC: Bowling Green
    Mid-Continent: Oral Roberts
    Missouri Valley: Creighton
    Mountain West: Utah
    Northeast: Central Connecticut State
    Ohio Valley: Eastern Illinois
    PAC 10: Arizona
    Patriot: Colgate
    SEC: Florida
    Southern: Furman
    Southland: Texas State
    Southwestern*: Grambling State
    Sun Belt: Florida International
    WAC: Southern Methodist
    WCC: Santa Clara

    At large that should get in

    ACC: North Carolina, Duke, Florida State, Wake Forest, Clemson
    Big East: Notre Dame, Boston College, Villanova, West Virginia
    Big 10: Penn State, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan
    Big 12: Texas, Kansas, Colorado, Nebraska
    Conference USA: St. Louis
    Ivy League: Yale
    Missouri Valley: Drake
    Mountain West: UNLV
    PAC 10: UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Washington
    SEC: Tennessee, Auburn, Mississippi State
    WCC: Portland, San Diego

    That give us 30 of the 34-35 at large teams. The next tier would be other regular season champions who failed to win their conference tournament, along with other over .500 teams from major conferences (St. Johns, Rutgers, Virginia Tech, Maryland, Northwestern, Oklahoma State, San Francisco, and Gonzaga
     
  14. ussoccr

    ussoccr Member

    Feb 5, 2003
    Re: Fantasy Tournament Bracket

    Tough to get Maryland in with only 7 victories (7-6-4). However the quality of their wins and ties gets them serious consideration as a bubble team. Too bad they couldn't have beaten Miami, Towson, and NC State. With those 3 wins, instead of a loss and two ties, they would have definately made it.
     
  15. IowaBoy

    IowaBoy Member

    Jul 23, 2003
    Des Moines
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did Santa Clara get the automatic because of their head to head win against Portland? It was my understanding they shared the conference title. Just wondering what the tiebreaker was on that (head to head makes sense).
     
  16. ussoccr

    ussoccr Member

    Feb 5, 2003
    Yes, Santa Clara's 1-0 victory on October 24th over Portland gave them the head to head tiebreaker for the automatic bid.
     
  17. EJDad

    EJDad New Member

    Aug 26, 2004
    You need to be over .500 to be eligible. Did Rutgers make it over? The big question is whether they will take strong win-loss vs strength of schedule or the other way around.

    There are a number of teams with strong schedules (Maryland, Harvard, Pepperdine, ASU etc.) but not great win-loss. The question with those will be did they grab a "big" win or 2

    Personally, I think they should reward teams that go out and play the toughest schedule possible.

    But thats just me.
     
  18. ussoccr

    ussoccr Member

    Feb 5, 2003
    Rutgers is indeed out at 9-10-1.
     
  19. ussoccr

    ussoccr Member

    Feb 5, 2003
    Incorrect info above:

    North Texas won the Sun Belt, not FIU - sorry for the error.
     
  20. Boston Bob

    Boston Bob New Member

    Feb 6, 2004
    I love CSTV and the affiliates. I have gotten to do nothing but watch games for the last 24 hours.

    My observations (I am interested what others who have watched think)

    Notre Dame is very good. The loss will probable only focus them more for a big run. They seem to get upset every year in the NCAA's. Coming earlier this year might help. I don't see the same early exit this time around with Thorlakson playing the way she is. What a special player. As for Connecticut, I think they are not as strong as in the past, but who really wants to go against them at this time of year. They are experts at sitting back and waiting for the special moments (see NCAA run last year). Good Coaching!

    UNC is still so dangerous. I was surprised by their lack of finishing yesterday. This has always been a strength. You KNOW they will sort it out and will be there in the end, but a team that can possess it like UVA has a chance against them (until maybe Tarp is back and ready to go full speed). UVA looks very good. They seem to have more will to win then in the past and their possession is excellent.

    Penn State is very athletic and strong in the goal. I think it comes down to getting Weimer the ball. When she scores they win. When she does not they get upset like yesterday. Ohio State does not seem to quite fit in the Big 10. In a conference with the reputation of being big and whacking it, they possess it like the west coast teams I like to watch. Maybe that comes down to having a player like the swiss kid who put on quite a performance.

    I am excited to see the SEC game (have not gotten to it yet). I hear it was quite a game. Not sure anyone will want to draw Florida and Tennessee in the tourney. From what I have seen this year they are both very athletic and dangerous in the box.
     
  21. upprv

    upprv Member

    Aug 4, 2004
    I am a west coast person, just wanted to state that for our east coast friends....

    I have been doing the math, and we are out of spots.
    If pac 10 gets 7: u of a, ucla, stanford, cal, wsu, uw, osu
    wcc gets 5: scu, portland, usd, pepp, lmu
    big west: SLO
    where will the unlv's go? we are full if we get 3 pods....the only way a hawaii, ucsb and unlv can go is if people get shipped out and we have 4 pods. will they take unlv over a pepp and lmu? maybe.
    i am very curious how this will play out.

    I can see USD hosting u of A's regional...since u of a's facility is sub par, usd is close for travel adn fans and a great field!

    any thoughts? we will know soon
     
  22. SECBacker

    SECBacker New Member

    Nov 8, 2004
    USSoccr, is your SEC projections accurate? Do you take Mississippi State over Vanderbilt? Maybe take them both?
     
  23. ussoccr

    ussoccr Member

    Feb 5, 2003
    The other interesting thing out west is what to do with SCU. Are they seeded as the top team from the west? Where will they play (men's team currently has games at Buck Shaw - Friday 7:00 PM and Sunday 1:00 PM)?

    Only one hour to wait!
     
  24. ussoccr

    ussoccr Member

    Feb 5, 2003
    Looking again, neither has 10 wins (which seems to be the magic number), neither has a high profile win, but Vandy did beat MSU twice, so you would have to take Vanderbilt before Mississippi State. They are both serious bubble teams. They will be looked at in comparison to teams like St. Louis, UNLV, and UW-Milwaukee (won their conference regular season, but not their tournament).
     
  25. UFGator98

    UFGator98 Member

    Aug 13, 2001
    Florida
    Ties might help Vandy's cause. They tied Florida, Auburn and Wake Forest, that might be enough to get them in, along with finishing 4th in the league. If the league does get 4, they will be the 4th.
     

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