NBA All Star Format: USA v The World

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by halfnelson31, Jun 5, 2003.

  1. halfnelson31

    halfnelson31 New Member

    Jul 23, 2002
    NOVA
    This was discussed duing the all star game in atlanta but i dont know if they were suriously thinking of it or not. I think this is a good idea.
    Heres my lineups. post urs and discuss

    *Denotes starter
    USA All Stars
    C Shaquille O'Neal- LA Lakers- Newark, NJ*
    PF Chris Webber- Sacramento Kings- Detroit, MI*
    SF Kevin Garnett- Minnesota Timberwolves- Maludin, SC*
    SG Kobe Bryant- LA Lakers- Philadelphia, PN*
    PG Jason Kidd- NJ Nets- San Francisco, CA*
    C Ben Wallace- Detroit Pistons- White Hall, Alabama
    PF Jermaine O’Neal- Indiana Pacers- Columbia, SC
    SG Tracy McGrady- Orlando Magic- Bartow, FL
    SG Allen Iverson- Philadelphia 76ers- Hampton, VA
    SG Paul Pierce- Boston Celtics- Oakland, CA
    SG Allen Houston- NY Knicks- Louisville, KN
    PG Stephon Marbury- Phoenix Suns- Brooklyn, NY

    *Denotes Starter
    +Denotes out of Reg. Position
    World All Stars
    C Zydrunas Ilgauskas- Cleveland Cavaliers- Kaunas, Lithuania*
    PF- Dirk Nowitzki- Dallas Mavericks- Wurzburg, Germany*
    SF- Pau Gasol- Memphis Grizzlies- Barcelona, Spain*
    SG- Peja Stojakovic- Sacramento Kings- Pozega, Crotia*+
    PG- Steve Nash- Dallas Mavericks- Johannesburg, South Africa*
    C Yao Ming- Houston Rockets- Shanghai, China
    C Vlade Divac- Sacramento Kings- Prijepolje, Yugoslavia
    PF Tim Duncan- San Antonio Spurs- St. Croix, Virgin Islands
    PF Nene Hilario- Denver Nuggets- San Carlos, Brazil
    SF Toni Kukoc- Milwaukee Bucks- Split, Crotia
    SG Manu Ginobili- San Antonio Spurs- Bahia Blanca, Argentina
    PG Tony Parker- San Antonio Spurs- Bruges, Belgium


    I Think this world team is very talanted. Not enought to guarantee a win but if they really wanted to i think they could
     
  2. ruudboy

    ruudboy New Member

    Jul 6, 2000
    Sunnyvale
    Tim Duncan would have to play for the USA, he was born in St Croix, US Virgin Islands, plus I think he was already capped by the US.
     
  3. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    If you take out Duncan, I guess you can insert Rick Fox (Toronto, Canada).
     
  4. sonicdream

    sonicdream Member

    Sep 27, 2002
    West of Suez canal
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    And then there's also that Turkish guy with the Kings (don't remember how to spell his name..)
     
  5. el_urchinio

    el_urchinio Member

    Jun 6, 2002
    First off, I'm very much against this idea, as it messes with 50+ years of tradition. Second, what exactly is an international player? Lots of foreign kids now come to the US to play high school and college ball and have dual citizenship by the time they enter NBA. And what about guys like Dominique Wilkins who are born abroad to American parents?
     
  6. DevilDave

    DevilDave Member

    West Bromwich Albion/RBNY/PSG/Gamba Osaka/Sac Republic
    United States
    Sep 29, 2001
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    West Bromwich Albion FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would be Hidayet "Hedo" Turkoglu (turk-oh-loo).

    I think the foreign team would be quite strong in and of itself, but against the American team??? You might have a slight mismatch there...
     
  7. halfnelson31

    halfnelson31 New Member

    Jul 23, 2002
    NOVA
    I put Duncan with the worlds because as u can see he provides much needed depth. also i started Nowitzki over duncan because if the nba ever decided to do this the goal would be to market to all the euros thats y i started nowitzki over duncan but i think duncan is the better player

    Hedo Turkoglu although his being on the team would bring viewers in Turkey I don think he warrents a spot just yet.
     
  8. halfnelson31

    halfnelson31 New Member

    Jul 23, 2002
    NOVA
    I hope ur being sarcastic when u say slight cuz thats what it would be slight. the americans would clearly have a better overall team but both starting five's are kinda equal. Im not saying the euros would blow the usa out of the water but they would hold their own and I wouldnt bet against them but then again i wouldnt for them either
     
  9. jamison

    jamison Member

    Sep 25, 2000
    NYC
    I think it would be interesting, especially since the all star game is boring and no one watches it at current anyway.

    The one thing is that you might make non-americans all stars that wouldn't normally be all-stars. Guys like Kukoc aren't really all star quality.
     
  10. halfnelson31

    halfnelson31 New Member

    Jul 23, 2002
    NOVA
    I agree he is not all star quality but he had a better year then the other player i was considering for that spot Hedo Turkoglu. Hes also had a good career winning rings during the Bulls' glory days
     
  11. jamison

    jamison Member

    Sep 25, 2000
    NYC
    If it's a world vs. US charity game or something, I would say okay, but what do you tell that American guy who was really an all star but got left off so that the World team could take Kukoc? That was my only point. If you look at it, say there are something like 300+ guys in the nba (29x12= 348- injuries), so of them only 30 should be all-stars, or 15 a side. Something like 280 americans would be competing for 15 spots while 50 odd foriegners would be competing for 15 spots. You would either have a very tough time getting 15 all star level foreigners, or you'd have the 16th guy on the Yanks who didn't make it b!tching because he got left off when he's better than guys 8-15 on the non-american team. Just saying.

    I'd be in favor of it for one game.
     
  12. halfnelson31

    halfnelson31 New Member

    Jul 23, 2002
    NOVA
    i was thinkging the same thing just one game
     
  13. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    It would suck if your contract had an All Star bonus and your breakout year just so happened to be the year they played the USA vs World game.
     
  14. jamison

    jamison Member

    Sep 25, 2000
    NYC
    Exactly. I think the player's union would be against this (or, the agents representing the players would be against it, same thing). A lot of contracts have that.

    Also an interesting idea for baseball, a US vs. World team there would be a bit more interesting if you put Puerto Rico on the World team. You might have a closer to 50-50 ratio in baseball. (again though, contracts are an issue).

    Though, I'm wondering if you could argue that since it is fan balloting it doesn't matter as much since there are people who "deserve" to go but don't all the time....hmmm.
     
  15. CyphaPSU

    CyphaPSU Member+

    Mar 16, 2003
    Not Far
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well, that isn't too far fetched since the all-minor league all-star game is played with the format World vs. USA. This game is always played the day before the MLB all-star game before the homerun derby. I remember seeing guys on the World team from various Latin countries, Canada, and Australia.
     

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