Future Ex-Utd Players - The Mason Greenwood thread

Controversial take here. Yes, but Rashford was the better player. I believe that eventually Greenwood will overtake Marcus, but Mason requires more help from others and more opportunities to make an impact. Rashford, regardless of his profligacy, could generate something out of nothing quite regularly, even from the start.

Put it this way, if you had to choose between them and you were in a relegation battle, you'd have gone w/ 18/19 yo Rashford over Greenwood. Only a portion of that is down to opportunity, the rest is down to the type of ability that Rashford has.

Really excited to see Mason get more playing time. I hope Ole can find some space for him to play as the lone striker and also as part of a duo. Shunting him out wide isn't the best thing for his development.

 

Controversial but interesting. I wouldn't say better, but more immediately useful.

I'll start this up by saying I'm typically hard on Rash but that's partly because his flaws are infuriatingly simple, and hold him back from being genuinely great. Also it may be a reaction to that utter clown who used to regularly smear his shit on these walls.

Ability to generate something from nothing is only a measure of who is a better player in specific circumstances, rather than across the board. We were just dominated by a team who don't really have any difference makers, and they don't have to ask themselves who they'd want in a relegation scrap.

You can also argue that Greenwood has demonstrated that he can generate something from nothing when in the box, as his two footedness, agility and finishing means he can score when 90% of players (such as Rash) get shown one way or easily read.

And finally, it's not even handed to simultaneously ignore a player's ability to generate nothing from something.

 

Sorry have to correct you here , wasnt this the case under Mou that Rash needed to play as 9 but was being deployed on wings.

Mason has a making of fox in a box, the equalising goal against sheffield supports it. im pretty sure if Danial james was crossing for equalising goal Rash would be lingering some where in penalty box instead of running between CBs like mason did.

Its really hard to judge when Mason hasnt played much but Rash had an amazing start.

 

@Sofabloke I think Mason should get chance at 9 when Martial gets injured, Mason is definitely 9 but Martial hold up play is excellent something Mason still has to master as 9.

 

Fair enough but if you want to judge who started better IMO Rashford is obvious winner. EL away (?), Brace against arsenal, Machester Derby winner, debut goal with England but once again Mason sample is limited but its impressive aswell.

 

There should be no hurry at this time to necessarily play Greenwood centrally as a sole 9. As stated, we have a good option for that role: he can be an alternative for sure but he obviously seems to be doing fine right now in a support role or deployed on the flank.
Just looking at the top hybrid 9s in recent memory (TH14, RvP, Mbappe among others) have started and spent significant time out wide before eventually being moved in a more central position. There is every reason to believe that Greenwood's turn will come as well in time (and presumably once he develops physically).
As far as any comparison with Rashford, I find it moot personally given the fact that while both are forwards, they're pretty different based on what we've seen so far, in terms of how they approach and play the game. Greenwood appears to be better from a technical point of view and works very well in tight spaces, whereas Rashford is at his best with tons of space ahead of him to run at the opposition.
In the end, just like Rash and Martial, both players are very different of one another, yet each one's strengths and qualities make them very complimentary of one another at the same time.

 

I respect this opinion, but Rashford when he broke through was damn good. Way more effective. His goal scoring record was stupid.

 

7 - Mason Greenwood has scored seven goals for @ManUtd in all competitions this season; among teenagers for clubs in the big-five European leagues, only Jadon Sancho (11) and Gabriel Martinelli (8) have more in 2019-20. Talent. #MUNEVE pic.twitter.com/bws1SQnM56

— OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) December 15, 2019

 

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The similarities between the 2 are almost freaky though...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/24/mason-greenwood-manchester-united

Still think that at this stage, Pogba's return to our team and midfield is more crucial, in terms of genuinely getting the team on track for the remainder of the season.
That being said, Greenwood has a big role to play, based on his recent form. Understand that Ole's desire to protect him but he's clearly ready and needs to see more minutes (particularly wide right if, as expected, nothing will happen there in January).
James has been a solid addition to our team but by and large, in games where we're going to dominate possession and have to break teams down, I'd clearly rather see us go with Greenwood. We don't necessarily be over reliant on him just yet, but the link up possibilities with Martial and Rashford are potentially mouthwatering.

 

I want him more involved in the game and I want to see penetrative runs from him, but my GOD if this kid doesn't scream potential. Just about every technical skill you could want from a young attacker is in his locker along with confidence.

 

Well done Mase!

A Boxing Day special 🎁

@_MasonGreenwood's stunner v Newcastle is our December Goal of the Month! 😍#MUFC pic.twitter.com/RFrCeBDOkI

— Manchester United (@ManUtd) January 6, 2020

 

Was he?

 

Yeha, him and Chong were probably the highest rated.

 

How do we rate Mason as an 18 year old versus the likes of Ronnie/Messi when they were 18? Different positions of course but Mason is making immediate impacts on games even when he disappears.

 

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 “I’d have Greenwood in every squad.”

👏 “He could be special.”

🙏 “I just feel they should just nurture him along & see if he can cope.”

Alan Brazil says #MUFC’s Mason Greenwood should go to Euro 2020! 👀

Thoughts on this? 💭 pic.twitter.com/XTtQ7XSwsB

— talkSPORT (@talkSPORT) January 13, 2020

Don't usually care for this man has to say but he makes an interesting point about Greenwood and the upcoming Euros. England is very deep in attack right now, but it may not be unreasonable to think there might be room for him at the back end of the squad.
Not sure what major youth tournaments will take place this year (he'd be expected to take part there surely). Short of that, I'd at least consider him to be a part of the group. Particularly if he keeps this up: wouldn't even expect him to play much but the experience alone would be priceless for him.

 

No, too young.