Native Americans On USMNT [R]

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  1. USvsIRELAND

    USvsIRELAND Member+

    Jul 19, 2004
    ATL
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Wondolowski

    Was reading through Wondo's wiki and saw that he is a member of the Kiowa tribe. It got me thinking, is he the only Native American to play for USMNT?

    Did a small search but couldn't find anything.
     
  2. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
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    I thought this was going to be another Preston Zimmerman thread.
     
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  3. THOMA GOL

    THOMA GOL BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 16, 1999
    Frontier
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Paging Mr. Warmth!

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  4. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
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    He never played for the Nat team.
     
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  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
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    FC Dallas
    Do you consider Hawaiians "Native Americans?"

    Some do. Some don't.

    Kamani Hill is part Hawaiian. Brian Ching is just from Hawaii; Kamani Hill is actually part-native Hawaiian.

    [Kamani being a Hawaiian word, actually]
     
  6. SpencerNY

    SpencerNY Member+

    Dec 1, 2001
    Up in the skyway
    AJ Delagarza's wiki page says he has a Native American mother.

    He played in the 1-0 over Venezuela.
     
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  7. USvsIRELAND

    USvsIRELAND Member+

    Jul 19, 2004
    ATL
    LOL I have no idea. Do hawaiians consider themselves native americans?
     
  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    They consider themselves... Hawaiians.
     
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  9. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
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    I don't think Native Hawaiians consider themselves Native Americans.

    Geographically speaking (in other words not politically speaking) Hawaii isn't in the Americas. It's a Polynesian Island. So the aboriginal people there aren't considered "native Americans."

    For the same reason I don't think the Chamorro people in Guam consider themselves "native Americans."

    On the other hand, the Eskimo, Athabaskan, Aleuts, etc. in Alaska are generally classified by some as "native Americans." They're in the Americas after all.
     
  10. Fanatical Monk

    Fanatical Monk Member+

    Jun 14, 2011
    Fantasyland
    I believe he's a member of the Wondolowski band of Kiowa. Well known warriors during the 1821.....wha? Polish you say?

    Nevermind.
     
  11. Chowda

    Chowda Member

    Sep 13, 2004
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    I knew it when I saw his high cheek bones.
     
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  12. El Niño Orgulloso

    Jul 5, 2009
    Houston, TX
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    What about Latinos who have native blood. Or do Indians from south of Pale Face's border not count???
     
  13. USvsIRELAND

    USvsIRELAND Member+

    Jul 19, 2004
    ATL
    I was thinking along the lines of USMNT members who are actually members of a tribe, like Wondo is.
     
  14. SamsArmySam

    SamsArmySam Member+

    Apr 13, 2001
    Minneapolis, MN
    Oh, good grief, people.

    "Who saw Old Yeller...?"

     
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  15. Real Corona

    Real Corona Member+

    Jan 19, 2008
    Colorado
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    On the US census Alaska Natives and Hawaiians are distinguished separately from Indians in the rest of the United States. The simplest explanation for the Alaskan distinction is the Alaska Native Claims act which with the exception of one single tribe in Metlakatla, created any entirely separate framework for the US government relations with Alaska Natives as compared to Indians in the continental United States. You can get even further into the distinctions because Inuit and Aleut (the few that are left) are genetically quite distant from the rest of the America's indigenous population, but considering this is a thread about the US soccer team, it's probably not relevant. To my knowledge no Alaskan, native or otherwise has ever played for the US team.
     
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  16. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
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    Most Hispanics are part Native American.
     
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  17. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
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    Not all Latinos are from south of the Pale Face's border.
     
  18. elvinjones

    elvinjones Member

    Jul 4, 2011
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    And some people consider then Kenyan.
     
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  19. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
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    As this is a not uncontroversial issue, I would think the starting point would be to look to the federal government's legal structures in place. Not my area of expertise, but I believe that fed legislation of the past 50 years was put in place to put the responsiblity in the hands of the more than 500 various Tribes to determine who is and is not a member. I also think that there was some legislation passed or proposed in this respect re: Native Hawaiians. It would be worth taking a look to see whether the Bureau of Indian Affairs has anything w/r/t Hawaiians.

    So, we know that the Kiowa Tribe recognizes Wondo. The next question would be whether other players are similarly recognized.

    Ching is a native of Hawaii but is he a "Native Hawaiian'? Kamani Hill's father is from Trinidad and mother is from Hawaii. Same question I guess.

    In any case, it is interesting topic but the sort of that can always be fraught on BS. I like Wondo and its cool that he is Kiowa...particularly because I may or may not have participated as a young kid in a well meaning though arguably problematic YMCA program and my "tribe" may or may not have been the mighty Kiowa. Thanks, Dad.
     
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  20. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
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    FC Dallas
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    United States
    That's what I was thinking. Wondo might be the only one.
     
  21. sakibomb523

    sakibomb523 Member+

    Oct 13, 2009
    Orange County
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    if Brian Ching went to Kamehameha High School, which he did, you need some native Hawaiian blood in you. And he's from Haleiwa, Hawaii which is in the North Shore. A lot of blood-Hawaiians live up there.
     
  22. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Well, Bornstein and Feilhaber are definitely members of the tribe.
     
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  23. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
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    United States
    I was going to ask what tribe, then felt it was worth checking Wikipedia and noticing they're both Jewish...

    Well played.
     
  24. SpencerNY

    SpencerNY Member+

    Dec 1, 2001
    Up in the skyway
    So good old Wondo, the only TRUE 'murican to ever play for our beloved Nats.
     
  25. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I suppose so :rolleyes:

    There's bound to be at least a handful... Right? Right...!?
     

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