National Stadium?

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by Paul Berry, Feb 13, 2016.

  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where's the one place 1,000s of fans would travel to for an international game and the MLS Cup final?

    Vegas baby!!! Cheap flights, great value hotel deals, and all the other attractions of a Sin City.

    60,000+ seat multi-sports stadium with retractable roof. Capacity could be reduced using metal curtains to guarantee a good atmosphere (like Minnesota's new stadium). Retractable seats to accommodate football games and maybe even track and field.

    Desso pitch for soccer and rugby which could be overlaid for other sports, religious events, exhibitions, Sanders/Trump rallies and concerts.

    7pm kick-offs to avoid the daytime heat and prime-time coverage on the East Coast.

    I'm a genius!
     
  2. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Make it Indianapolis and I am on board.
     
  3. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego FC
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't need one. We are a massive country and even if we had a national stadium it would only make sense to move the matches around anyways.

    If US soccer wants to help develop a soccer specific stadium somewhere by either investing directly or by promising a certain number of US matches I would be all for that. But in that case might I recommend going southwest about 5 hours on Interstate 15 :).
     
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  4. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Make it Little Rock and I'm on board
     
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  5. CrazyJ628

    CrazyJ628 Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    The center of the Earth
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    C'mon. We basically have one. [​IMG]

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  6. 4door

    4door Member+

    Mar 7, 2006
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like the 1B dollar Minnesota stadium? Who pays for that...USSF? So you can play a dozen games a year in it. Would 60k fans travel there or do you think Vegas is going to pull that kinds of numbers.


    Let me ask this question. If by some miracle the USSF could obtain the capital to build a NFL type of stadium and spend around 1B, would you prefer them to use that cash on a stadium...OR would you rather have us just keep using the 50+ stadiums already built that size in the US, and invest 1B into youth development, coaching, training, scouting...etc. Is having a National stadium THAT important? Yea sure, if you didn't have 50 stadiums you could already use maybe it would be important, but for us...where we currently sitting in global soccer is this where USSF should invest?
     
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  7. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Almost country that has a national stadium hosting the majority of its national team matches also has a single metropolitan area accounting for a large percentage of its population.

    According to the Wikipedia list of national football stadiums, only two countries with national stadiums have less than 15% of their national population living within the capital's metropolitan area: Indonesia and the Philippines "only" have about 12% of their populations in Jakarta and Manila respectively. (I'm only counting national stadiums where the national teams actually play the majority of their home games. Japan and China have official national stadiums, but the Japanese national team has only played at the National Olympic Stadium three times since 2010, and the Chinese national team has only played at the Beijing National Stadium once since 2004.)

    Our largest metropolitan area, even by its broadest definition (Combined Statistical Area), is only about 7% of the US population.
     
  8. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Mar 10, 2010
    Virginia
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No.
    This.
     
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  9. Seth Johnson

    Seth Johnson New Member

    Jan 15, 2016
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    This is an interesting idea but Vegas isn't exactly a "soccer city". They would do much better where soccer has an establishment already like Seattle or Portland. I still favor the current system where they "tour" the United States so the whole population has a chance eventually to see the national team instead of only the natives of Las Vegas and the ones rich enough to travel to it
     
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  10. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't say the "whole population" gets to see USMNT qualifiers and friendlies (Gold Cup games are different because the cities are chosen by CONCACAF). Los Angeles last got a WCQ vs. Barbados in 2008. The northeast (north of D.C. and east of Columbus) hasn't gotten a WCQ since 2005. The far southeast got an overmatched Antigua & Barbuda team in 2012 in Tampa and before that Guatemala in Birmingham in 2005. By "far southeast," I'm excluding Nashville for being too far north. Texas hasn't gotten WCQs. I'm suggesting playing in Los Angeles or Texas would be good for the USMNT, but I'm saying that many people haven't had a WCQ nearby in over 10 years. I acknowledge that WCQs reach a lot more people than one national stadium would.
     
  11. Seth Johnson

    Seth Johnson New Member

    Jan 15, 2016
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    I was referring to all USMNT or USWNT fixtures in general including gold cup, friendlies, WCQ or any other competition. Give it a year or two and a US team will be within very reasonable traveling distance (or in your city) for just about anybody living in the US
     
  12. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Not really, we've had Chelsea and Inter Milan come play here, but not the USMNT.
     
  13. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Again, if we ever have a national stadium, it will likely be in name only, much like other large, populous nations such as China (who have played in theirs exactly once in their last 84 home matches!) and Japan (who have played in theirs in just 3 of their last 42 home matches).
     
  14. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego FC
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Completely agree. Seems like US soccer is starting to slip into the trend of using the same places and stadiums, which leaves out the most populated areas of the country. I am not saying they should give up the home field advantage, but they could still insure that California and the NorthEast get at least one qualifier per cycle.
     
  15. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's an old trend, unfortunately. Between 1957 and 1989, more than 60 percent of our qualifiers were played in either Los Angeles or St. Louis.
     
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  17. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego FC
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's an interesting point, and boy have things changed. Took a look at the qualifiers since 94, US soccer has had a total of 42 home qualifiers and has used 16 different cities. So have to give US soccer credit for moving their matches around since 1990.

    2 mild critisims. The first is every year they double up on multiple venues. I understand there is a comfort level, but this is a massive country and with the sport still on the upswing I would like to see them be in 8 different spots over the qualifiers. Doesn't need to be 8 new spots, but I think creating as many chances for people to see the match in their region only helps.

    And then there is my other gripe. Which is self serving. The most populated state in the country, with a long soccer tradition has hosted a total of 3 qualifiers since 1989, and 1 in the Hex back in 1997. California getting a qualifier most cycles I don't think is unreasonable. considering the population. I think Texas has a viable complaint in this department as well having never hosted a qualifier (at least since 1990). Sorry New Yawkers you don't. I realize there hasn't been one in the NY/NJ area but there have been a total of 14 between RFK, and Foxboro, which is close enough.
     
  18. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shouldn't it be 43 home qualifiers?

    Qualifying for 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010, and 2014: 3 Semifinal and 5 Hexagonal (8 total) games * 5 cycles = 40 games
    Earlier round home game vs. Grenada in qualifying for 2006
    Earlier round home game vs. Barbados in qualifying for 2010
    Home game vs. St. Vincent and the Grenadines last year
     
  19. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego FC
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Didn't include the one from the 2018 cycle. My mistake.
     
  20. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And if that was St. Louis's first game in that time it would make 17 cities.
     
  21. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego FC
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeap either 42 matches in 16 cities or 43 in 17 either way I think US soccer has done a pretty good job of moving the qualifiers around. And they have generally averaged 2-3 new markets a cycle, with a great deal of success. Which eliminates any need for a National Stadium (IMHO).

    My only mild criticism would be to try and play in 8 different markets over the qualifiers rather than doubling up. If they want to continue to go in to new markets, while serving the populated areas in the Northeast and California, and still getting to places that have been successful in past cycles, you need all the dates you can get.
     
  22. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    How'd you get down to 50? The US has 100 stadiums larger than all but four of the fantastic German 2006 WCup. There were 78 of those seen as acceptable for round two of the US 2022 bid, IIRC.
     
  23. dredgfan

    dredgfan Member+

    MLS
    Nov 5, 2004
    Denver or NOLA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The USA could host a 64 team tourney no problem. The stadiums are in place already.
     
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  24. the5timechamp

    the5timechamp Member+

    Nov 3, 2012
    Cool, call it the Mega World Cup.. A special iteration of the tournament and rake in the cash.... Or do a club version of it
     
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  25. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    The US could host a 256 team tourney. The US has a crazy number of large stadiums. though, thinking about it, are there that many FIFA nations? Well, we'll just have to create some new nations...
     
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