NASL legitimacy thread

Discussion in 'NASL' started by Onionsack, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Being separated geographically by a considerable amount defiantly is a contributing factor, as is the fact that out of the three soccer options in the region...Cosmso are the only one that has any authenticity and cache built in. When your 2 competitors are marketing and branding projects and schemes, its actually pretty easy to compete as a DII side.

    Having a group of fans that had been organized for 5+ years in advance get behind the Comsos over the man city farm team helped as well. If you think it isn't a big deal i have a call history from Mark Abbot that clearly says otherwise.

    All in all a very positive first week for NASL. Hope to see Tampa carry that great opening day turn out into consistent numbers, and hope Indy and NYC can continue to pull high marks.
     
  2. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can you please stop with the biased Cosmos talk? They aren't any more authentic then other NY clubs.
     
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  3. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Red Bull New York - owned by an Austrian energy drink company, bought and branded in the likeness of the company and product they serve. Uses soccer as a means of alternative marketing based on a forced corporate ethos. The badge, logo everything about the soccer team is to further the sales and relevance of Red Bull energy drink. There are 4 other soccer teams worldwide that are wholly indistinguishable from Red Bull New York. Despite calling themselves New York, Red Bull has zero actual connection to the State across the Hudson river. Played no games, have no facilities, or any actual physical connection whatsoever. The entire name was derived to align themselves with the large media center because it was more desirable from a marking perspective from the Red Bull brand.

    NYCFC aka Man City USA - a hastily announced expansion side without any stadium plans whatsoever in order to give a cash handout to owners and to help with a TV deal that is owned by the owners of Manchester City FC and whose business plan is run by the same guy that in 2009 wanted to have Barcelona FC invest in MLS to create a Barcelona farm team. Purpose of the franchise is to help propel Manchester City brand worldwide into emerging football markets as they aim to compete with the real global heavyweights like United, Liverpool, Real Madrid Bayern and Barca. To further prove the point, they also recently entered the Australian market in Melbourne and publicly let their plans out of the bag, to create a system of far teams in big cities and aligning them with the famed Man city colors and management.

    New York Cosmos - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Cosmos

    There is just some much you can write about them, their ties to NY, the importance of their team and growth of the game in this country. They are soccer history and NY history. Unquestionable. Anyone that has any sense at all can see it, which is why they have a much higher favorable opinion around here than the other two sides.

    Sorry pal, but there is clearly one team of the three that is authentic and has a meaningful connection to NY. The other two options are clearly unauthentic...hence the reason why NY Cosmos are doing well and will continue to do well in spite of these poser MLS teams in market.
     
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  4. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  5. bullsear

    bullsear Member

    Feb 17, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Except this team's participation in that history is in name only.

    You don't like that NYCFC and NYRB are owned by foreign investors trying to make a buck on the US market? So I guess you support the Cosmos divesting their primary owners -- who are from Saudi Arabia.

    What are you even talking about? If you want to live in some magical fantasy land where the Cosmos never went under, played a vital role in NY soccer, and Pele comes in to work in the front office every day with a smile on his face, then fine.

    But the rest of us live in reality. In reality, the Cosmos inspired a lot of people in the 70s, made soccer fun in NY, and then went under -- 30 years ago. These Cosmos have some great accomplishments to their name, but they haven't been fighting for soccer in the New York area for the past 20 years like the Metro-Stars/NYRB did.
     
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  6. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You still trying to carry on that losing argument? LOL. You should worry more about being at the foot of the table with Atlanta and less time trying to reinvent business law.
     
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  7. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just pointing out the facts. Simple, really.
     
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  8. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure and the 1971 Cosmos didnt participate in the 1978 Cosmos success or the 1974 team's success. The club itself is the same, its been legally active since the mid 70's, paying taxes and holding the rights to all things Comsos since then. Had Pepe enough money to field a team between 1985 and 2010 he could have at any time using the business he owned, the New York Cosmos. So, sorry to break it to you, and really almost no one else even puts this argument forward anymore except for trolls...but its the same organization.

    Since when did i say i just objected to the owner not being American? Its the purpose for which these teams in MLS operate that makes them unauthentic. I think i summarized it clearly.

    The ceased operating the professional soccer team in 85 because there was no league to play in. And stayed active as a business entity this whole time, until someone with money decided they would fund the professional soccer club. Its not complex stuff, in fact this is like business law 101, pre-law type stuff. Not fielding a team for 28 years is just part of their history.


    I'll give you Metro. That was at least an authentic NY/NJ soccer team. But Red Bull fighting for soccer in NY....LOL. That's a good one. I'm sure the people at RBNY have do what they can, but they all answer to Austria and they couldn't care less about it.
     
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  9. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fine, give me a complete legal explanation as to why the New York Cosmos are not the same New York Cosmos from the 70's.


    Hint: You can't because they are legally the exact same entity, uninterpreted, and have been active the entire time.
     
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  10. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're also forgetting the bit where the Cosmos name is only back because people wanted to make money off of t-shirts. Real authentic.:thumbsup: Now this is a neutral thread. Take your insecure bashing elsewhere please.
     
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  11. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    *Sigh*

    The trademark was kept alive, that's it. Nothing more. To say that the soccer club is the same and is connected in any fashion other than having the same name is an absolute load of shit, period.

    The "business entity" of a guy running camps with the Cosmos name on them is not keeping continuity of a professional soccer club.

    The trademark was bought from said camp running guy and an entire new entity was formed, a new professional soccer club was created, and they simply slapped on the name "NY Cosmos"


    ....
     
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  12. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Cosmos name was always around, not sure why you think it just reappeared in 2010? Pepe has owned the New York Cosmos entity and all their holdings the entire time and has used the assets prior to Paul showing up. Paul isnt my favorite person, and i didn't agree with his motives fully, but he did have every intention to try and get them into MLS. Not that you would know that, but he was involved with local leaders here scouting possible stadium sites and tried to hype the return to attract real money investors. In the end he didn't do it the right way, not that i think his heart was in the wrong place. O'Brien came in and bought him out and did what we all told them they needed to do, organze a professional team again.

    Sorry, but your narrative doesn't really hold up to scrutiny.

    Listen pal, you started this entire derailment by challenging a honest comment about the attendance numbers in NY. So now that you are getting your ass handed to you in the discussion you want to cry...NEUTRAL THREAD!!. How about you just admit defeat and stop responding and we can move on.
     
  13. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh boy.....you really have no clue at all about this stuff do you. This is why a layman is a layman.
     
  14. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry I have better things to do then arguing with another Cosmos fan that doesn't know what they're talking about. Take it elsewhere please.

    @SoccerPrime Could we get a clean up here?
     
  15. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually he commented on your completely unnecessary Cosmos fellation.


    K :thumbsup:

    There were other business operations other than the youth camps ? He did something other than slap the logo and name on them in terms of the Cosmos acting as a business ? The trademark/logo/usage wasn't bought, twice ? The team that plays in the new NASL wasn't formed in 2010 ? It wasn't simply the "brand" surviving by Pinton charging for usage of footage, name, logo ?

    K :thumbsup:
     
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  16. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is rich, you start a total off topic discussion then cry to a mod to clean up the mess you started. I accept your surrender...no if you dont mind the rest if us would like to continue our attendance discussion.
     
  17. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I already dominated this discussion and won it walking away...prob can just lock it up.
     
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  18. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  19. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still waiting for a response to post #9...might want to focus more time on that, and less time shitting your pants.
     
  20. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Refer to post 15 .... and I wasn't concentrating on shitting my pants. It was just a byproduct of the laughter your post anointing yourself the victor caused.

    Of course, I'd say something about you concentrating on something other than trying so hard to convince people that the Earth revolves around the Cosmos .... but I have better things to do.
     
  21. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Up here in the northeast we refer to statements that end with a question mark as questions, not answers. Post 15 just asks a bunch of mostly irrelevant questions, and not once articulates an actual intelligent position and response to what i asked you. I figured since you were just all so sure of yourself that supporting your nonsense would come easy for you, apparently not.

    I am sure you have better things to do, one of which is most likely NOT getting into a debate about the Cosmos legacy with someone that clearly knows much more about it than you.
     
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  22. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    #22 Zoidberg, Apr 15, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2014
    ....and who overplayed their hand with MLS and are now on the outside looking in.

    Watching him now come up with arguments and ways to try and get NYC into MLS, in a legitimate soccer fashion but MLS won't let them:p, is some of the best stuff on these boards right now.

    The attempts to do it for real soccer reasons, or for the good of the NASL and lower league soccer is hilarious, and just as shallow as T shirt selling Kelmsley. His bias is blatant, and so are his motives, and he would do what the old Cosmos did for the old NASL...ruin it in a heartbeat as long as he gets what he wants.

    Great entertainment, good for a lot of laughs. At least we know who the true flagship team is in NASL...the one with real passion and fans...and they are in Indy. Wait! They can't be legit...there is no history!
     
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  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And the State of New York.

    cosmos01.jpg

    cosmos02.jpg

    Blah blah blah blah same bullshit from a fanboy as always.

    You want so desperately to claim unbroken lineage to Pele and company as if that makes this money-grab by an overseas corporation different from some other money grab by an overseas corporation.

    It's sad, really.
     
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  24. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #24 Onionsack, Apr 15, 2014
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2014
    In 2010 PK and his group did what every single business does, formed their own entity to accept the transfer of an existing business. They also now always use LLC's as they have a far more favorable tax treatment with the same liability shields as traditional corporations. Something that really didn't exist in the 70's when the New York Comsos, Inc. was formed.

    So when the deal was done, the did a merger of the existing company into the newly reorganized business model. Its done like that in almost every merger and acquisition today. The only thing that is sad, is that a man with your alleged education doesn't seem to be able to grasp that concept...or that you do and just play willful ignorance because it furthers you agenda against Cosmos and their fans.

    Blah blah blah same old bullshit from BigSoccer's most notorious crusty has been.

    Selected Entity Name: COSMOS SOCCER CLUB, INC.
    Selected Entity Status Information
    Current Entity Name:COSMOS SOCCER CLUB, INC.
    DOS ID #:367425
    Initial DOS Filing Date:APRIL 16, 1975
    County:NEW YORK
    Jurisdiction:NEW YORK
    Entity Type:DOMESTIC BUSINESS CORPORATION
    Current Entity Status:INACTIVE - Merged Out (Sep 20, 2010)

    Selected Entity Address Information
    DOS Process (Address to which DOS will mail process if accepted on behalf of the entity)
    COSMOS SOCCER CLUB, INC.
    PO BOX 120
    TAPPAN, NEW YORK, 10983-0120
    Chief Executive Officer
    PAUL KEMSLEY
    75 GREENE STREET
    2ND FLOOR
    NEW YORK, NEW YORK, 10012
    Principal Executive Office
    COSMOS SOCCER CLUB, INC.
    75 GREENE STREET
    2ND FLOOR
    NEW YORK, NEW YORK, 10012
    Registered Agent
    US CORP. CO.
    70 PINE ST.
    NEW YORK, NEW YORK,


    Try to not do such half-assed research next time.
     
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  25. XaviusX

    XaviusX Member

    Mar 21, 2001
    Tampa, Florida
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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