NASL 2017 News Thread

Discussion in 'NASL' started by Sandon Mibut, Jan 4, 2017.

  1. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    Maybe the fact that they lost teams last year make it a problem this year
    Discovery is not instantaneous
     
  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. Salvadanish

    Salvadanish Member

    Sep 14, 2014
    Vancouver, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Just out of curiosity, any idea which two teams? I didn't see specific teams mentioned.
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't be surprised if one of then them was Kingston Stockade.
     
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  5. Ferdinand Cesarano

    NYCFC
    Sep 21, 2005
    New York City
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    A waiver of a requirement is a very good indication that the requirement in question was not really necessary in the first place.

    So taking a waiver away is hard to do only if you are interested in preserving some credibility on the legitimacy of the requirements. (But, of course, if all you are doing by imposing so-called "requirements" is engaging in a power play, then a little contradiction here and there is not going to trouble you.)

    The fact that the NASL for the past several years has been functioning and has been attracting new owners illustrates the foolishness of the USSF declaring the league to have fallen short of some imaginary and meaningless standards.
     
  6. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Only if you're an anal retentive asshole not interested in fostering and promoting growth.

    Real life isn't a flowchart.

    The USSF's mission is to foster and encourage the growth of all facets of soccer in the United States.

    The initial reason to grant waivers is to give startups time to get up to speed and handle the hiccups than any new enterprise encounters without being overly pedantic and officious. Don't kill the baby in its crib.

    The initial grant of waivers was in no way, shape, or form an admission that the standards weren't desirable or necessary. Even the NASL agreed - they helped draft the standards.

    Your historical revisionism saddens me as you seem to rather well spoken (written), and more nuanced than the normal talking point mouthbreathers that troll these forums.
     
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  7. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, it means USSF has been erring on the side of caution and not killing non-compliant league sources when they could.

    These were always aspirational, and as they were a shock to the system, not being draconian about it from the jump seemed prudent.

    Were you around in the 90s? The standards are neither meaningless nor imaginary.

    They are, however, difficult. As they should be.
     
  8. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I feel that should just be typed, bolded, and put on the top of anything related to the NASL lawsuit. The NASL helped draft the standards and they were largely drafted to push the USL to Division III while they remained in Division II.

    Just because Rocco wasn't there doesn't mean it is unfair.
     
  9. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    Just because one is a party to formulating a set of standards does not mean one is supportive of all the standards.

    Many of the drafters of the US constitution were vehemently opposed to slavery.
     
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  10. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    False equivalency. Those drafters in opposition didn't come out 7 years later and say the Constitution was meaningless and should be scrapped (as far as I know, there's always one).
     
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  11. Azabache

    Azabache Member

    Nov 22, 1998
    Essex Co.
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Horrendous analogy.
     
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  12. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Tulsa huh? You wouldn’t be the sock puppet of one of our fav over the top pro/rel zealots....just trying to sound educated instead of victimized and aggressive.

    Things is, trying to sound like you know what u r talking about is quite different than actually doing it.

    Not gonna get away with that crap here. Reddit or some other children's webiste sure.....not here.
     
  13. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    The lawsuit wants to scrap everything?

    Maybe it was a bad analogy but the point remain that just because you are a party to crafting something doesn't mean you agree with all of it, or won't be working to change things afterward.

    Constitution signed 1787
    Amended 1791

    To argue that one is bound by what one help crafted in perpetuity is simplistic not realistic and ignore the give and take always intrinsic to such a process.
     
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  14. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Dude that's 1/2 of the lawsuit. 1) Injunction to keep the status quo while the litigation is pending and 2) doing away with USSF level standards and determination.
     
  15. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    I read the lawsuit as declaring that the division standards (it help established) as applied by ussl was anti competitive (conspiracy for monopoly).
     
  16. C-Rob

    C-Rob Member

    May 31, 2000
    How exactly is it anti competitive?
     
  17. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    Crickets
     
  18. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You seriously have some nerve to ask him to "explain" himself! I mean if you can't see he's right, then you're just some MLS bot who doesn't care about the sport and more importantly lower division soccer which is the life blood of everything in this country!!!! ;)
     
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  19. William Flores

    United States
    Apr 17, 2013
    Garland, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So NASL likes to say they want to be competitive or wants to be considered as a serious option as a league, but why would an investor be attracted to the NASL after seeing the mess of a show it has been since it has been established?
    Teams join the league then become defunct after a year
    Teams not being able to afford to pay their players
    etc.
    like what argument does NASL really have to say that they deserve to be D2 or even exist?
     
  20. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    I'll try....

    MLS bad.
    MLS not pure.
    MLS is an evil corporate political entity.
    MLS doesn't do everything Euro.....I mean EPL does.
    USSF colludes using a a double secret handshake deal and has used it's influence to enhance MLS, and allowed it to succed, while undercutting everything the righteous, pure, enlightened martyr's who support NASL are fighting for.

    Justice against evil!

    Mostly meant to be humerous, but there is a lot of truth in the thought processes involved.

    Of course guys like Silva, Commisso, Peterson and Cosmos owners before are the Republic battling this Empire of evil.

    Oh the hilarity.
     
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  21. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now I just imagined Seryu Ubiquitous as an NASL booster with that logic.
     
  22. Bklyn Royals Fan

    United States
    Jan 17, 2008
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is the NASL going to 'win $3.78' in the end? Hope the Cosmos are still around next year and beyond...seems like I'm a glutton for punishment for supporting this team!
     
  23. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    It is what the NASL charges in the lawsuit.
    Read it.
     
  24. C-Rob

    C-Rob Member

    May 31, 2000
    Given that different people have read it and come to different opinions of it (as you and others have pointed out in your responses), I was interested in hearing a better explanation that what the lawsuit alleges. I personally see no anti-competitive conspiracy based on what was written in the lawsuit (as cliff-noted by Beau Dure, as I don't have the time to kill poring over every word of the lawsuit). I would like to hear a differing opinion based on what was written in the lawsuit. Such nuanced opinions from the NASL side are rare here.

    Or are you unable to respond to any post with more than two sentences?
     
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  25. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    1. The NASL believes there is anti competitive consequences of the ussl recent decision to seek an injunction.
    2. Some well known lawyers agree that argument to file a suit.
    3. Now it is up to a judge to render an opinion.

    Other opinions really don't matter. While I may enjoy reading the opinions of others, I don't mistake them for facts, or as having significance or consequence. I don't come to an Internet forum with opinions to pass off or to seek an argument because both are meaningless.

    But I had to comment on the obvious fallacy that I did a few posts back.

    Btw, in your opinion as a result of ussl decision to revoke D2 status for NASL, would the various communities have more options for D2 soccer or less?
    And given the working relationship between usl and MLS, would the level of D2 approaches more like D1 or remain as D2?
     
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