N Korean Jets Shaddow US Recon Plane

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  1. fidlerre

    fidlerre Member+

    Oct 10, 2000
    Central Ohio
    damn, n korea is really pushing the limits...
     
  2. Father Ted

    Father Ted BigSoccer Supporter

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    Nov 2, 2001
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    But I thought the US could only concentrate on 1 task at a time. Thats what a lot of people here have said. We were told forget Saddam, what about the war on terror and North Korea?

    My word, it looks like the US was busy this weekend.
     
  3. irishFS1921

    irishFS1921 New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    this reminds me alot of the little brother who says nagging things to get you to just drill him so you get in trouble.

    N.Korea knows all they can do is nag us or they loose the big shoulders they're sitting on. As long as we keep patrolling and gathering intel we should be fine.
     
  4. csc7

    csc7 New Member

    Jul 3, 2002
    DC
    yep, absolutely fine. we'll know they are producing a bunch of nuclear weapons. which admittely is better than not knowing they are producing nuclear weapons, but not quite as good as them not building weapons at all.

    and the references that the capture in Pakistan and the surveillance flights are evidece that the US can do more than one thing at once are false.

    nk knows we can't fight two wars at once and knows this is their chance to move quickly to develop as many nukes as they can so they can deter the us in the future.

    and the war in iraq is likely to increase the number of recruits for al qaeda and troops left in iraq will be an attractive target for terrorists. obl wants this war, that throws up a big red flag to me.
     
  5. fidlerre

    fidlerre Member+

    Oct 10, 2000
    Central Ohio
    this is news to me? when did we find out they were producing a bunch of nukes?
     
  6. csc7

    csc7 New Member

    Jul 3, 2002
    DC
    i haven't paid too much attention in the last week, so i don't know the current details. to my knowledge, they haven't started yet, but beginning to reprocess their plutonium to do so. also cranking up their nuclear reactor to produce more.
     
  7. speedcake

    speedcake Member

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    from what I can gather it is only feared that they already have one or two. No super, duper proof yet. And the main thing is that yes, they seem to really be taking steps toward producing nukes. It just gets worse and worse.
     
  8. CrewDust

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    Once the fuel is reproccesed, it would take about two months to turn out 7 or 8 weapons. In about a month they could begin the reproccesing process. However NK's systems are so old it is possible that it could take a while longer.

    Anybody notice how Kim and friends sent out the Mig 29's and 23's to challenge the USA but sent a Mig 19 to challange the South.
     
  9. fidlerre

    fidlerre Member+

    Oct 10, 2000
    Central Ohio
    yea i thought that was interesting too...i still am amazed at how many countries are still flying those 60's era mig-19's...i mean you gotta be really stretching the military if you are flying those crappy things, i mean i dont even think our national guards fly those f-4's anymore, which was the mig-19 equivilent back in the day.

    the mig-29 is a mean fighter; well it is under the right pilot and the proper maintenance ...but in north korea i doubt they are getting much of either. regardless, you gotta think that the pilot and crew on that rc-135 were crapping their pants considering there were no u.s. fighters in the area to fly with them.
     
  10. Excape Goat

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    This is the only reason why I am against the war. Bush want to destroy a guy who is not an immediate threat and produce a chance for Al Qaeda to recruit new members. Plus, Iraq under Saddam is also the least likely state in the Arab world to have Islamic laws.
     
  11. TheWakeUpBomb

    TheWakeUpBomb Member

    Mar 2, 2000
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    So, you're not standing on principle or reason, you're just scared?
     
  12. Ugluk

    Ugluk New Member

    Nov 15, 1999
    North Korean pilots reportedly get 5 to 10 hours of flight time a year. That's about enough training to keep the aircraft right-side-up, barely. Pilots should get no less than 200 hours to stay proficient. Preferably 300 to 500. Their might is in the sheer volume of ground soldiers and artillery. Their air force is basically for looks. If they were shadowing me, I wouldn't be afraid of being shot down so much as being accidently run into, like that Chinese knuckle-head did to the Navy P-3.
     
  13. Footer Phooter

    Jul 23, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    MOTHER F***. Great. Keep focusing on Saddam. I'm absolutly positive, this won't bite us in the ass. Thank God we have GW to keep us focused on an irrelevant objective, whilie letting NK slip by.
     
  14. Levante

    Levante Member+

    Jul 28, 2001
    You'll see irrelevant when weapons of mass destruction are produced by our troops.
     
  15. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

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    NATO sets it's requirements to between 150-200 a year.
     
  16. Excape Goat

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    You can stand on your principal.... you are risking the lives of innocent Iraqi civilians and American soldiers just to prove your principles are right. I am not going to stand for mine. I have no right to do it....

    and yes.... my fear of the future world is a good reason for my view toward the war.
     
  17. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Thank you very much, Bill Clinton.


    Alex
     
  18. CrewDust

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    This thread is about North Korea not Iraq.
     
  19. csc7

    csc7 New Member

    Jul 3, 2002
    DC
    Your right, the US has more than enough capability to deal with the first step. But you're not thinking what happens after the US destroys those sites. Step two is a NK invasion of SK which the US will not have the available troops to reverse in any near term future. NK knows that, thus they know we won't take step one.


    Sure, but not in the same way a full scale war and occupation is. I think we've heard that occupation word used before in the Middle East. Where could that have been...
     
  20. irishFS1921

    irishFS1921 New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    i don't understand it either. people continue to think Kim has the upper hand here and it's become very obvious with his shenanigans and little side crap that he's no where near one foot up on us. but people see him dicking around and become overwhlemed with his "threat capabilities" he doesn't have effective "vehicles"(people or otherwise) to move his stuff like saddam could obtain.
     
  21. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

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    Like csc said, he could invade South Korea right now, and we couldn't stop him.
     
  22. csc7

    csc7 New Member

    Jul 3, 2002
    DC
    I'm guessing you're referring to the Clinton administration's 2 MRCs strategy for determining military strength. Of course that strategy was based upon fighting and winning two MRCs simultaneously. Now that we have troops in Phillipines, Afghanistan, etc, we don't have the troop strength to do that.

    The Bush admin. changed that strategy to a fight-hold-fight strategy recognizing the new world reality. They haven't pushed for an increase in military force to change that strategy.

    So I guess what you should really say is "Thank you U.S. international affairs and military establishment"
     
  23. fidlerre

    fidlerre Member+

    Oct 10, 2000
    Central Ohio
    my fear with kim is not in his medium range balistic missles hitting japan or the <gasp> western united states...

    my fear is all those artillary shells and short range surface-to-surface missles that he has along the DMZ aimed at south korea, and specifically seoul. even with an attack by u.s. sub's and airplanes in the area they could still create substanial death and destruction in the korean peninsula with what they have lined up along the DMZ.

    no doubt in my mind we would convincingly win an encounter with north korea, it is the price in south korean lives in that conflict that would worry me.
     
  24. csc7

    csc7 New Member

    Jul 3, 2002
    DC
    Common sense would suggest it, but if that's not enough, you could probably analyze public opinion polls about the US in the Gulf Region for the last 6 months and compare it to opinion polls over the last 12 years. I'd be willing to bet that you'd see a recognizable difference.
     

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