Must read WaPo article breaks down Kay Report, makes clear Bush's treason

Nope.

I was comparing the reaction of the partisans.

I would be interesed in an explination as to how Clintons lies under oath do not constitute perjury, if someone is willing to start a new thread on that topic specifically.

 

Because he was tried and found not guilty by the Senate.

I can't be bothered to come up with an insult right now, so think of something that you'd be horribly offended by, and pretend I said it.

 

File that under "W" for "Whatever".

He still lied. He knew he got a BJ and tried to convince us all he didn't. Whether the sophistic wording he used was technically perjury or not is irrelevant. Anything less than "Yep, I done got my pole polished!" was a lie.

And his lie is still nowhere near as bad as the many lies told by the Bush team to start their war.

Finally, the people trying so desperately to convince themselves that Bush didn't lie are self-deluded hypocrites who can't even be honest with themselves let alone anyone else.

 

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., delivered a stark message on Tuesday from an unnamed U.S. military officer now stationed in Baghdad who believes negative press coverage of the U.S. war effort has cost American soldiers their lives.

While flying back to the U.S. aboard a military transport, King told nationally syndicated radio host Sean Hannity via satellite phone, "I promised an American colonel yesterday, an Army colonel, that [I'd relay his message]: 'There's blood on the hands of the American media.'"

"He's lost men because of the terrible reporting and it's just creating a terrible atmosphere," King said the Army colonel told him.

"The troops have tremendous morale. But unfortunately the terrorists are encouraged and the Iraqi people are being dissuaded from cooperating with the American forces because of the terrible coverage back here," King said.

The unnamed GI, who King said had two graduate degrees, shared his disturbing assessment as the two flew by helicopter from the Baghdad airport to the Al Rashid hotel.

Paraphrasing the Army colonel's words, the New York Republican said, "I just want you to know that there's blood on the hands of the American media; that my men and women are going to die because of them."

The GI's message continued, "We are winning this war and the only way we can lose this is if the American people lose their nerve and that's because of what's going on in the American media."

King said he concurred with the Army colonel's complaint, saying, "What I saw is totally different from what the American media [are] reporting."

Noting that he was in Baghdad during the wave of terrorist attacks this weekend, King said that, "in spite of all of that, life is virtually normal in Baghdad."

"What the media [don't] show is that the rest of Baghdad is traffic jams, markets open ... you would have thought you were in midtown Manhattan," the New York Republican contended.

"Life is so different when you're there from the way it's being portrayed in the media."

 

I love how the discussion continues to be about Clinton...

I'd like to see Michael Russ type the following words:

"I agree Bush lied to start the Iraq war"

And if Michael won't type these words, could he please explain to a neutral like myself why not?

Thanks,

Mike

 

What is this, the last refuge of the damned?

You can't defend Bush's actions, so instead you call anyone who questions them traitors.

If Bush wanted the world to see strong and confident America, if he wanted to discourage America's enemies by presenting a unified front, then he shouldn't have started a war based on deception and false pretenses.

In the end, if America's enemies are encouraged, it's all Bush's fault.

 

Your post was doubleplus good, ASG.

Thank you, Mr. Good German.

I'll let Mr. Loney and Mr. Dave pick apart the many, many things wrong with your sad attempt at denial and spin. I'll confine myself to thanking you for proving everything I said in this thread about the Ridiculous Right 100% correct.

 

I'm not calling anyone a traitor. The GI in Iraq is.

 

Thank you for missing the point Dave. You said yourself we arn't going to lose this thing on the battlefield. If anything, we are going to lose it home. So if the constant incorrect coverage un-nerves Americans it might jeopardize the mission.

 

"GI", my civilian ass. He's a colonel. Assuming King didn't make him up, which I find entirely likely. Why have righties in history been so in love with the "stab in the back" theory?

Here's a hint - if the war's going so incredibly well, why are we pre-emptively blaming the media? Why doesn't the colonel point to all the amazing victories we've scored? Could it possibly be because we care more about our troops than what freaking school was built a month ago?

To be fair, there is blood, and plenty of it, on the hands of the American media. But that's because they went along with this war unquestioningly for the sake of ratings. I somehow don't think that's what King and his psychotic pal are trying to convey, though.

 

Because I am not convinced he did.

Please qoute for me the exact words that Bush spoke that was a lie. (it will be interesting to see if what you select indeed shows that you are "neutral")

I am not talking about something he had reason to believe was true, but turned out to be wrong. I'm talking about something that he absolutely knew to be untrue when he spoke it.

 

Well just yesterday your golden boy flat out lied about the "mission accomplished" banner issue.

His own spokesman hours later admitted that was a lie. But hey that was a lie about something that happened AFTER the war so let me give you some lies leading up to the war:


"I would remind you that when the inspectors first went into Iraq and were denied—finally denied—access, a report came out...that they were six months away from developing a weapon," the president said. "I don’t know what more evidence we need."
Sept 7th 2002
Press Conference

NO SUCH DOCUMENT EVER EXISTED. That's not a "whoops we misread the intelligence" that is a big phucking lie. Bush staff then tried to say well he was referring to a document produced in 1991. Guess what? That document didn't exist either!

Michael that's a lie. LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE.

"The Iraqi dictator must not be permitted to threaten America and the world with horrible poisons and diseases and gases and atomic weapons."
– George Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in a speech in Cincinnati

ATOMIC WEAPONS? Are you kidding me? That is a big phucking LIE.

"We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any fingerprints." – President Bush, Oct. 7.

ZERO evidence. He just pulled this one out of his a$$.

"Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." – President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.

LIE. Bush knew at the time they had not verified their usage yet. Ye he said phuck it I guess I can LIE somemore.

"Bush lied and our solidiers died." Get VERY used to hearing that phrase for the next 12 months.

 

Way to respond to all of the blatant LIES I posted by Bush ASF. So how about are those lies or not?

 

Yes.

 

What a *#*#*#*#ing sucker.

 

manny, you are a thoughtless drone.

How sad to be you.