Mueller indictment thread

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  1. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
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    No, because, fortunately, it will not actually happen.

    It is certainly fascist, though.
     
  2. JamesA

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    Dec 7, 2004
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    "Selfish Corruption". Its a new form of government.

    You see, Facism implies a greater goal on behalf of the nation state.

    "Selfish Corruption" is merely at the sole behest of the individual. Its serves no other greater goal.

    For example, 1 pardon given, 1 massive and ridiculous endorsement returned. A transaction fundamental to how "Self Corruption" is run.
     
  3. soccernutter

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    I wonder how the "New Election" would occur there would be no new constitution.
     
  4. diablodelsol

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    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Judge Sullivan isn’t going to rubber stamp the Flynn pardon. This is going to be interesting.

     
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  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is a good move

    In particular, I agree with Marcy Wheeler that the Court should require to know, exactly what criminal conduct is pardoned.
     
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  6. Yoshou

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    Well, this is certainly going to get interesting..
     
  7. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Rather than just name drop, can you link her comment? ;) Marcy's website, emptywheel.net, is really quite good and people should read it.

    Side note, I agree with her. If the DOJ were to investigate Flynn on another matter, how are they to know if he has been pardoned with it? A blanket pardon like this just means there will be a chilling effect on investigating Flynn or they will first have to litigate whether a crime they are investigating is covered by the pardon or not. Not to mention the whole issue of whether or not Trump is pardoning a co-conspirator, which should be a big no-no.
     
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  8. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Looks like Tribe was shot down because he did not send in the $100 fee with his request. But former Watergate prosecutors can file a brief. I see it being something like "OMFG! THIS NUT IS A MILLION TIMES WORSE THAN TRICKY DICK. DEMOCRACY IS BARELY HANGING ON. CALL THE JUSTICE LEAGUE! AAAARGH!!!"
     
  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    She has been mentioned so often in this thread I figured everyone knows her

     
  10. Dr. Wankler

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    May 2, 2001
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    I looked up the judge. He was appointed to this post by Clinton in the 90s. His prior two federal judgeships were Reagan and Bush I appointments respectively.

    Ah: the good old days before an appointment to the bench was a patronage gig for a career hack.
     
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  11. diablodelsol

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    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    I feel like everyone should know the guys name by now. He’s Sully in our house...and I’m not even distantly related to an attorney.

    he’s the judge that also refused to allow Barr to drop the prosecution of Flynn during the sentencing phase after he pleaded guilty...twice. Appointed someone to argue against both the prosecution and the defense’s motion to dismiss.

    A couple of other good ones over the course of this shit show (ordered Dejoy to clear mail distribution centers for ballots every day and report back to him daily...otherwise would find him in contempt.) does not ******** around.
     
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  12. diablodelsol

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    New Jersey
    That good feeling didn’t last long
     
  13. diablodelsol

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    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Since Durham’s investigation isn’t worthy of its own indictment thread…I’ll put this here



    I think the Mueller v Durham match is current 8 or 9 to 1. I don’t think Durham is going to pull this one out.

    What a joke…
     
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  14. marek

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  15. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yep.

    Marcy Wheeler has covered it in detail but I gave up on it ages ago when it was clear this was a huge exercise in blowing smoke.

    The key point is that Sussman and the Dossier has nothing to do with the Mueller investigation. It's all part of the Trumpian attempt to hoodwink the rubes that the Mueller investigation was based on the unreliable dossier and thus its all a conspiracy
     
  16. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    That would explain the weeks and months of deliberations as the non Clinton and AOC* supporting jurists tried to convince their obviously partisan counterparts the merits of a guilty verdict.

    Wait…what? They deliberated for hours?

    honest question….do you ever get tired about being wrong about everything? Does it ever make you go back and reevaluate the choices you make? The opinions you have?

    * WTAF does this have to do with the point you couldn’t make it the first place?
     
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  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    There is no logic to it.
     
  18. diablodelsol

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    New Jersey
    BTW - this is example number 653 of what a coward Garland is. Absolute coward. Has neither the character or the fortitude for the job. Worst AG since Bill Barr.
     
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  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    Agreed.

    This prosecution was an absolute joke. We know the FBI were already running a counter intel op, and people like John McCain sent the dossier to the FBI independently

    Even if Sussman did lie to or mislead the FBI, that doesn't change the substance of the allegations against Trump
     
  20. marek

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    no
    no
    no

    i have complete faith in our jury system and that a fair jury was picked (90% Clinton and 4%Trump voters in DC) in this DC based trial presided over by (Obama appointed) Judge Cooper
     
  21. marek

    marek Member+

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    aren’t you glad that he’s not in the Supreme Court?

    thank goodness for good old Mitch
     
  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is the conspiracy now?
     
  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    He'd be much better on the SC where he'd bring steady, middle of the road institutionalism
     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

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    Marcy has a good writeup on this fiasco if anyone wants to catch up on it.

     
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  25. The Jitty Slitter

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