PBP: Most Overrated Country in World Football and why?

Discussion in 'BigSoccer Polls' started by Idolg1982, Apr 12, 2011.

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Most Overrated Country

Poll closed Apr 6, 2012.
  1. Russia

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  2. England

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  3. USA

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  4. Mexico

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  5. Turkey

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  6. Portugal

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  7. Ireland

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  8. Greece

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  9. Italy

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  10. Other

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  1. Karloski

    Karloski Member+

    Oct 26, 2006
    England
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I said their overall WC record is dismal.

    In the history of the competition, they've qualified 5 times (including the last 3), and have finished 3rd, 4th, 11th, 17th, 21st.........that is a DISMAL record in the history of the World Cup. There is no dressing this up, they are no where near a top 10 team, going on either trophies or consistent performance.
     
  2. snahdog

    snahdog Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Atlanta
    I know what you said. That's why I specified that my comments were about when they made it through qualification. In any case, we must have different definitions of the word dismal. They are still rated 18 in the World in absolute WC points earned. Doesn't make them great or even good. But not dismal either. Though, for United fan dismal might mean not winning at least one title per year.
     
  3. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Regardless, they are nowhere near Uruguay.

    I understand the difficulty in deciding how much weight should be given to trophies versus how much to give for consistency and other factors, but when you haven't won anything and are lower on the WC all-time table (in terms of W-D-L record), then it's a no brainer as to which nation ranks higher.
     
  4. snahdog

    snahdog Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Atlanta
    I agree. But remember, this all didn't come up trying to compare Portugal to Uruguay, but Portugal (and a few others) to Chile/Colombia/Ecuador/Paraguay. Just got off track a little. My bad.

    On a side note, the consistency argument, in my opinion, can play a role when deciding between Uruguay and Argentina. Uruguay has more (or equal) titles, but Argentina has been much more consistent.
     
  5. snahdog

    snahdog Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Atlanta
    Also, i objected to the use of "dismal", when "average" is probably more appropriate.
     
  6. Pipiolo

    Pipiolo Member+

    Jul 19, 2008
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Even when Portugal does make it to the WC, they are wildly inconsistent, prior to WC2010 their performances were the most bipolar in WC history for a nation: two semifinals appearances and two first-round disasters. WC10 was not much better with a muted round of 16 exit.
     
  7. snahdog

    snahdog Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Atlanta
    Looks closely and you might find a similar pattern for Uruguay. Though not as extreme.
     
  8. Karloski

    Karloski Member+

    Oct 26, 2006
    England
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Objection overruled.
     
  9. snahdog

    snahdog Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Atlanta
    What part of Manchester are you from?
     
  10. Karloski

    Karloski Member+

    Oct 26, 2006
    England
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Sorry, I'm not interested in an online stalker. Find some friends around your own area, it's a LOT easier.
     
  11. snahdog

    snahdog Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Atlanta
    I was just trying to confirm a theory. The probability of it being correct just increased with your evasive answer.
     
  12. Karloski

    Karloski Member+

    Oct 26, 2006
    England
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Suuurree....everyone knows your kind. Personal questions...followed by more personal questions, in an effort to get specific details. Next thing you know, facebook friend requests, dodgy packages\letters at the door, etc. Seriously dude, I'm not interested. Probably best if you quit repying to me, you're beginning to creep me out a bit.
     
  13. snahdog

    snahdog Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Atlanta
    Paranoid much? Don't worry, I won't come by and try to steal your burnt breakfast sausages. Just wanted to see if you are actually from Manchester or from some other English town with its own local team that unfortunately does not win enough titles to satisfy certain types of fans.
     
  14. lajake

    lajake Member

    Dec 29, 2011
    So Cal
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you a scum supporter you can not possibly be from Manchester.
     
  15. mwjppgr

    mwjppgr Member

    Dec 23, 2008
    Montevideo
    Club:
    CA Peñarol
    Nat'l Team:
    Uruguay
    These are the National Teams that traditionally define the FIFA World Cup:

    Germany has reached to semifinals 12 times
    Brazil 10 times
    Italy 8
    Uruguay 5 (1930-1950-1954-1970-2010)
    France 5
    Argentina 4
    Holland 4
    Sweden 4
    Spain 2
    England 2
    Hungary 2
    Poland 2
    Austria 2
    Czechoslovakia 2
    Yugoslavia 2
    Portugal 2 (1966-2006)
    Chile 1
    USA 1
    Croatia 1
    Turkey 1
    Belgium 1
    Bulgaria 1
    South Korea 1
    ...
    [​IMG]
     
  16. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    There are only 75 SF appearances, is someone missing? Soviet Union 1966 I guess.

    Anyway.
    So using this table and removing the three "big guns" from CONMEBOL and UEFA each (19 vs 25 SF appearances), we see that the rest of UEFA is slightly better than the rest of CONMEBOL.
    UEFA - 15 different teams with 29 SF appearances vs.
    CONMEBOL - 1 different team with 1 SF appearance

    Or to have percentages:
    UEFA (without Germany, Italy and France) had 171 teams starting, so 29/171= 16,95% of them reached the SF

    CONMEBOL (without Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay) had 29 teams starting, so 1/29= 0,034% of them reached the SF
     
  17. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Ah, I hate that you can't edit your posts here... all , are . of course.

    One should note that out of all starters (393) only 76 could possibly reach the semifinals.
    So only 19.34% of all teams could reach the SF. And without the 6 "big guns", only 10.63% of the rest of the teams have reached a SF.

    So the rest of UEFA did quite well, considering nearly 17% of them reached a SF.
     
  18. mwjppgr

    mwjppgr Member

    Dec 23, 2008
    Montevideo
    Club:
    CA Peñarol
    Nat'l Team:
    Uruguay
    These are the National Teams that traditionally define the FIFA World Cup:

    Germany has reached to semifinals 12 times
    Brazil 10 times
    Italy 8
    Uruguay 5 (1930-1950-1954-1970-2010)
    France 5
    Argentina 4
    Holland 4
    Sweden 4
    Spain 2
    England 2
    Hungary 2
    Poland 2
    Austria 2
    Czechoslovakia 2
    Yugoslavia 2
    Portugal 2 (1966-2006)
    Chile 1
    USSR 1
    USA 1
    Croatia 1
    Turkey 1
    Belgium 1
    Bulgaria 1
    South Korea 1
    ...
    [​IMG]
     
  19. chewie4917

    chewie4917 Member

    Sep 10, 2011
    I have a question in reference to some of the posts above: What constitutes "reaching the semi final [stage]" of a world cup?

    - Is it making it to the final, and counting the semi final victory as "reaching the semi final"?
    - Or, is it making it to the semi final of a world cup, but no further?
     
  20. Lusankya

    Lusankya Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 14, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    All teams which have at least reached the semi-finals in a World Cup are counted.

    Some tournaments actually didn't have a semi-finals stage, in this case being among the top 4 was the same as having reached (at least) the semi-finals.

    E.g. in 1950 Uruguay, Brazil, Spain and Sweden are all considered to have reached the semi-finals, because they finished in the top 4 (second group stage).
     
  21. RoyOfTheRovers

    Jul 24, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England

    [Are you only talking about the accomplishments, records, international tournament showing, etc., of any given nation's NT? Or are you including the historical strength of their domestic league, track record in producing great club sides, all-time great players and managers, etc.? :confused:]
     
  22. RoyOfTheRovers

    Jul 24, 2009
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England

    [Are you only talking about the accomplishments, records, international tournament showing, etc., of any given nation's NT? Or are you including the historical strength of their domestic league, track record in producing great club sides, all-time great players and managers, etc.? :confused:]
     
  23. Pyros

    Pyros Member

    Sep 6, 2009
    La Coruña
    Club:
    Valencia CF
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Fixed. Why would England be above Spain, exactly?
     
  24. Nani_17

    Nani_17 Member+

    Nov 3, 2011
    Club:
    Real Madrid

    He's Italian, believe me very minimal thought went into that.

    Basically he went by number of world cup trophies to number of final appearances.

    Trust me, an Intellectual North American Italian is as rare as a rational theist.

    For what it's worth, here is my list (because current team is more important then what happened 80 years ago)

    1. Spain
    2. Germany
    3. Netherlands
    4. Brazil (currently not amazing, but such a deep player pool)
    5. Argentina(same as above)
    6. Italy
    7. Uruguay(Deserve a lot of respect considering the population)
    8. England(disappointing almost all the time, however they have good talent and always make it)
    9. Portugal
    10. Chile
     
  25. mwjppgr

    mwjppgr Member

    Dec 23, 2008
    Montevideo
    Club:
    CA Peñarol
    Nat'l Team:
    Uruguay
    http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/index.html
     

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