Most Important Position

Discussion in 'Statistics and Analysis' started by yankeeRoyal, Mar 19, 2013.

  1. yankeeRoyal

    yankeeRoyal Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    Bahia Salvador
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In my humble opinion, biased by my love for chess, and military history......not to mention my experience at goalie, sweeper and striker.
    1. CM
    2. Striker
    3. Center Back
    4. Keeper

    Obviously, I think the middle is key. Is it possible to gauge statistically?
     
  2. MatthausSammer

    MatthausSammer Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 9, 2012
    Canada
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Goalkeeper's the most important position. Everyone else having a bad day, you can compensate. Goalkeeper,s having a bad day, you concede multiple soft goals and lose.
     
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  3. RIP SJ Clash

    RIP SJ Clash Member

    Mar 11, 2013
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Gotta agree with MatthausSammer. How many times have you seen defenses get crapped on and get bailed bout by a goalkeeper in good form? Dan Kennedy comes to mind.
     
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  4. Errik

    Errik New Member

    Jan 31, 2013
    I'm going to go with the goalkeeper. For the same reasons detailed in the posts prior to mine.
     
  5. docdri

    docdri Member

    Mar 22, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    Goalkeepers can lose you a match.
    But they can't win a match as there still has to be someone to score.
    So strikers? They score most of goals.
    But they usually need midfielders to create chances for them.
    And when they score two goals, goalkeeper's two mistakes can kill it all.
    And we are back on the start...
     
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  6. RIP SJ Clash

    RIP SJ Clash Member

    Mar 11, 2013
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    the hell...
     
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  7. snahdog

    snahdog Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Atlanta
    for field players, I think defensive mid is very important since they serve as a link between the attack and defense.
     
  8. Valkyrie

    Valkyrie Member

    Mar 27, 2013
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Most Important position is obviously the GK. Followed by:
    2. CD
    3. CM
    4. FD
    5. CF
    6. Forwards
     
  9. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What positions are FD and CF?
     
  10. Valkyrie

    Valkyrie Member

    Mar 27, 2013
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Flank defense and central flanks/wings.
     
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  11. Scorpions Unofficial Army

    Mar 14, 2013
    San Antonio
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    the most important position is whichever position you're weakest at...and that's the one to concentrate on :)
     
  12. Soulflame_22

    Soulflame_22 New Member

    Apr 12, 2013
    New York City
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I have to go with Goalkeeper..:)
     
  13. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    CM by miles I think. When you have a good CM you can control the middle of the pitch exposing less of your Defense and GK and providing balls for your offense. Zidane comes to mind.

    When you have 2 great CMs.. you have Xaviesta and we know how good they make people look.
     
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  14. yankeeRoyal

    yankeeRoyal Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    Bahia Salvador
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes I agree. If you win the central midfield battle everything else opens up.....and your opponent is constricted. Suprised so many here picked the goalie, since he can only affect the offense a few times a game.
     
  15. RIP SJ Clash

    RIP SJ Clash Member

    Mar 11, 2013
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    The rationale behind that being that if a CM has a bad game, other players can pick up the slack. When the goalkeeper has a bad game, you've almost certainly lost.
     
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  16. Guigs

    Guigs Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    A GK might only have a few opportunities to have a good or bad game. Meaning a lot of times he might be having a bad day letting something in, but then his defense steps up and nothing else gets to him. Or he maybe came off crosses very badly and didn't get scored on but his defense again shuts down the opposition.

    It's a team sport hard everyone picks up the slack for some other player one way or another.
     
  17. RIP SJ Clash

    RIP SJ Clash Member

    Mar 11, 2013
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Fair point, but a GK is the player who can most easily lose you a match on an off day, whereas if a striker or midfielder is a bit off you've got other players who can pick up the slack. Even on a phenomenal day for a defensive line there are regularly chances that get through.
     
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  18. Rob55

    Rob55 Member

    Nov 20, 2011
    I think the most important position is the one where your best player is better than the competitors comparable challenging players that are going against them. If your forward is head and shoulders better than the opposing defenders that try to match up on them, then the answer is forward. Same for any other position IMO. If your center mid, can win balls in midfiend and also slice and dice through the midfield and deliver excellent through balls to the forwards to shoot with then its center mid. All reletive to the competitor where you have lopsided differential is where you'll have greatest success.
     
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  19. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think CM because you need that midfield engine to dictate the tempo. This is the unique positional link that can generate quality chances for your forwards and keep the pressure off your back line and keeper. Obviously you need your forwards to convert those chances and your back line and keeper to come through when called upon but for me, the CM can truly influence the outcome of the game. Win the midfield battles consistently and you give your side confidence and a better chance to win the war.
     
  20. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    well not in reality ... according to salary and transfer fee;
    1- Creative Forward/playmaker (AM)
    2- Striker/Good Winger (wide man)
    3- CM/CB
    4- GK and fullbacks

    If GK is so important, why most team unlerlooked and pay them much less?
    At Barca Messi (Xavi, Iniesta, Cecs ..) costs >>>>> Valdez
    At Real, CR7 Ozil Kaka > Cassilas
     
  21. yankeeRoyal

    yankeeRoyal Member+

    Feb 12, 2006
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    Bahia Salvador
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good post. Salary is a good way to measure a position's importance.
     
  22. gesongzuqiu5

    gesongzuqiu5 New Member

    May 12, 2013
    Can I say every position is important?
     
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  23. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    rightly so ... football is a XI players team
     
  24. RIP SJ Clash

    RIP SJ Clash Member

    Mar 11, 2013
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    You could, but it wouldn't really contribute to answering the question
     
  25. watanabe2k

    watanabe2k Member

    Sep 22, 2000
    Illinois, but Japan
    Club:
    Jubilo Iwata
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I did an analysis on Arsenal from their "invincibles" season (as well as a season employing an Ordered Probit where players were coded as a "1" when they played at least 15 minutes and a "0" when they played less than 15 minutes. In this, I was trying to capture the concept of having been in a match long enough to have an effect on it.

    The players in order of their importance for creating a next higher order outcome (moving from a loss to a tie, or a tie to a win) were:

    1. Silva (Defensive Midfield)
    2. Lauren (Right back)
    3. Henry (Striker)
    4. Eboue (another Right Back... filled in for Lauren once he was injured)
    5. Gallas (center back)
    6. Adebayor (Striker)
    7. Clichy (left back... who actually was the second choice for Cole)
    8. Cole (another left back)

    Last place was Lehmann (GK)

    While this is only one team in one year, it would seem that for that special season Arsenal's most important players were on defense. After that, there was need for strikers, but the GK didn't matter as much. In other words, maybe if your team is great enough, you do not need a good GK.

    Would be interesting to carry this out with a much larger data set (like all teams for several year).
     

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