More CrowdTrouble at Torino

Discussion in 'Italy' started by comme, Feb 23, 2003.

  1. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    What does everyone think should be done about the disgraceful scenes at the Delle Alpi yesterday.
     
  2. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    The culprits should be identified and banned from the stadium for life. I think, once simple step is taken for a few, it'll be a big deterrant for future ********************* wannabes.
     
  3. Spartak

    Spartak Member

    Nov 6, 1999
    Philly
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a shame because Milan was on the way to another 6-0 scoreline which could be decisive in the end of the season goal differential. I'm anxious to see how the game will go down in the table. I hope they don't make Milan play this game again.
     
  4. soccerfan220

    soccerfan220 New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    USA
    THey'll either give a 3-0 or 2-0 win to Milan.
     
  5. retnicf

    retnicf Member

    May 7, 2001
    Mount Vernon, NY
    I missed 90 Minuto. Can anyone recap what sparked the trouble? Was it just Torino fans frustrated with their club, or did something happen outside the stadia?
     
  6. Spartak

    Spartak Member

    Nov 6, 1999
    Philly
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nothing much happened besides going down 3-0 at HT. I heard it was an organized protest that was going to happen anyway. Going down 3-0 just made the Toro fans even more pissed off. When they broke down the glass seperating the fans from the field I thought they would stop the game then but they let the game go on for another 15 minutes before the stopping it.

    I guess you as an Inter fan would want that. If they want to be fair they should just add on 2 or 3 goals to what was already a 3-0 game. Because if they let it stay as is they are actually penalizing Milan because they could have scored 8 goals yesterday. I would be happy with 5-0 or 6-0.
     
  7. Dante

    Dante Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 19, 1998
    Upstate NY
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They should just leave it at 3-0.... it's what they scored in 62 minutes.

    Saying the would have scored 5 is ridiculous, you don't know what would have happened. Maybe Torino would have scored, you never know.

    3-0 is fine.
     
  8. mr magoo

    mr magoo New Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    South Shields
    Why is it deciseve? Dont teams that are equal on points at the end of the season have a play-off to decide who is ahead of the other?
     
  9. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    That's right. But as a milan fan I'd still like to see the imaginary goals.
     
  10. retnicf

    retnicf Member

    May 7, 2001
    Mount Vernon, NY
    Ohh, I would say you've seen your fair share of imaginary Milan goals. ;)
     
  11. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    I think the ease with which Seedorf slalomed through the Torino defense for the third goal put the "fans" over the edge. And of course, the halftime whistle came almost immediately thereafter, so they had nothing to do but fester. RAI didn't show the interval, so it's not clear when it all started.
     
  12. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Yah... don't you think that this is exactly what will be tried? But it's not that easy.

    It amazes me how many Italians are tough hooligans, yet when you travel to Italy for a game you never see them. Except in Rome maybe.

    Anyone here know anything about the safety measures in Italy? They're not that strict I believe.
     
  13. Spartak

    Spartak Member

    Nov 6, 1999
    Philly
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are only playoffs for the european spots and relegation spots. The champion is only decided by goal differential tie-breakers. So, this game could prove decisive.
     
  14. retnicf

    retnicf Member

    May 7, 2001
    Mount Vernon, NY
    Not true. If two teams finish the regular season tied on points there is a one-match playoff for the scudetto. No goal differential tie-breaker. Can anyone confirm?
     
  15. retnicf

    retnicf Member

    May 7, 2001
    Mount Vernon, NY
    A little birdy (from Udine) just pointed out to me the last time this happened. Inter and Bologna finished tied atop Serie A in 1964. Bologna won the playoff. (Inter was busy winning the Champions Cup, I guess).

    thanks!
     
  16. soccerfan220

    soccerfan220 New Member

    Jun 24, 2002
    USA
    I'm not saying it will be a 2-0/3-0 because I'm an Inter fan, I am saying that because those are the only possible things that can be done. If a game is suspended or whatever then they automatically give it a 2-0 win to Milan. But since Milan was already winning 3-0, they'll probably give Milan a 3-0 win. And by the way Spartak, what are the chances that this season could possibly be tied up at the end? Like Retnicf said, the last time this happened was 1964.
     
  17. mr magoo

    mr magoo New Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    South Shields
    It happend just yesturday to me on champ man so thats why i brought it up.

    I would of been non the wiser if it hadn't
     
  18. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    I'm 99% certain there would be a playoff for the Scudetto if two teams end up on top of the table with the same number of points.
     
  19. retnicf

    retnicf Member

    May 7, 2001
    Mount Vernon, NY
    Actually, this isn't the first time I've wondered about a rule in Serie A. Have they publishsed their Rules and Regulations online? I can't find it anywhere.

    Something like this for the Premier League:
    RULES OF THE BARCLAYCARD PREMIERSHIP COMPETITION
     
  20. modenafc1912

    modenafc1912 New Member

    Jan 28, 2003
    Modena, Italy
    Club:
    Modena FC
    The sport-judge has confirmed the result of the game: Torino 0 - Milan 3.
    The Delle Alpi stadium will be out for 5 games, that means Torino will play the remaining home games of the season away.
    Police keeps on find out wild supporters thanks to tv images: some of these have been already arrested.
     
  21. retnicf

    retnicf Member

    May 7, 2001
    Mount Vernon, NY
    The matches in question:

    Reggina 3/9
    Perugia 3/23
    Piacenza 4/13
    Udinese 5/4
    Empoli 5/18

    Good news for Udinese in their fight for a place in Europe. Also could affect the relegation battle. (I know that beating Torino in Delle Alpi is not difficult this year, but every little bit helps.)

    How are they handling the Derby on April 6? That should be interesting.
     
  22. modenafc1912

    modenafc1912 New Member

    Jan 28, 2003
    Modena, Italy
    Club:
    Modena FC
    I read Torino will play these 5 games in Reggio Emilia, @ Giglio Stadium, just 30 km far from Modena.
    The Reggio Emilia team, named Reggiana, plays in C1-A (italian 3rd division): but they have a wonderful stadium. Has been built few years ago, it seems an english-style stadium with about 25000 seats.

    Meanwhile we are preparing the saturday night derby against Parma: we'll be more than 4000 to sing for another victory. GO THE CANARIES!
     
  23. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    It's too bad for the thousands of Reggina fans who live in Torino. Games there are practically home matches for Reggina. I remember the festive atmosphere, fans surrounding the pitch, etc when Reggina won at the Delle Alpe in the final game of the Serie B season a few years back and both clinched promotion, Reggina for the first time ever.
     
  24. retnicf

    retnicf Member

    May 7, 2001
    Mount Vernon, NY
    Ohh so the games are at a neutral site, I was under the impression that they would be played at the other team's stadium. Good to know.
     
  25. Karl 'Che' Lenin

    Karl 'Che' Lenin New Member

    Mar 11, 2003
    Bizarre coincedence it came just a day after new "hooligan legislation" that gave the right to the carabinieri to use tear gas inside the stadia.

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