Montreal or the Quebec Province

Discussion in 'Montreal Impact' started by petkedude, Apr 20, 2003.

  1. petkedude

    petkedude New Member

    May 3, 2002
    NJ & Camp Lejeune,NC
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    would montreal make a good spot for expansion? i know there's the old olympic stadium that is huge but that would be fine. Since noone in Montreal has really ever cared for the Expos it would be a good summer attraction. If not Montreal, bring sports back to Quebec City, build a stadium up there and I think Quebec City would make a great place for a team.
     
  2. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

    CanPL
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    YEG-->YYJ-->YWG-->YYB
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    People cared about the Expos, but only as long as ownership doesn't give ya the screws.

    Olympic Stadium (aka "The Big Owe") is fine as long as you like the following:

    - A long ways away from the city core in a bad part of town.
    - The stadium roof coming down.
    - Parts of the stadium comming off.
    - That annoying astroturf.

    Quebec City doesn't even have a stadium that would be suitable to MLS standards. That doesn't even count public apathy.
     
  3. RaginInferno

    RaginInferno New Member

    Nov 9, 2002
    Lockport, IL
    no offence to Canadiens. MLS shouldnt ever go to Canada. Canadaiens are counted as foreign players. But US is foriegn to them. the rules would have to be totally bent around the Canadaien team.
     
  4. furie

    furie Member

    Jun 29, 2002
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    IS Montreal a big soccer town? If it couldn't hold a hockey team i can't see it supporting a MLS team.
     
  5. Joe Stoker

    Joe Stoker Member

    Mar 10, 2003
    Stokerland
    Excellent comments that have got me thinkin'...

    The Montreal Manic (especially) and Toronto Blizzard were drawing exceptionally well before the NASL fizzled on them. So, given the right circumstances, the nation has potentially good pro soccer towns... along with Vancouver.

    Ragin' and others have mentioned that perhaps it's best that Canada have its own Div 1 pro league. Maybe they could even play an interlocking schedule with MLS someday, but the finances and charters remain separate.

    As Furie and Doyle touched upon, we'd first better find some serious, soccer-caring owners in major markets, then come up with a few modern-day Varsity Stadiums.

    The Division-One Dominion Dream League:

    East: Toronto, Montreal, Quebec City (just for Petkedude), Windsor (for the soccer-starved Detroit crowd).
    West: Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg.
     
  6. ax319

    ax319 New Member

    Jul 7, 2002
    cant leave out Ottawa.
     
  7. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hell's bells - let's add Saskatoon, Regina, Hamilton and Halifax.
     
  8. kb

    kb New Member

    Nov 23, 1998
    Boston, MA
    ?The NHL Canadiens have folded or left Montreal?
     
  9. thurd

    thurd New Member

    Jul 31, 2001
    Melrose, MA
    check this out
    http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/2003/0422/1542317.html
     
  10. petkedude

    petkedude New Member

    May 3, 2002
    NJ & Camp Lejeune,NC
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    well, if the expos stay in Montreal, hopefully they'd get a new stadium which could also be used for soccer.
     
  11. DOMBAS

    DOMBAS New Member

    Oct 26, 2002
    THE WOODS
  12. furie

    furie Member

    Jun 29, 2002
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was refering to the Quebec Nordics
     
  13. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would be Nordiques you runny dreck

    Quebec City is only in the same province as Montreal. That's like saying that NYC cant keep their hockey teams out of bankrupcy when you are talking about the Sabres.

    No wonder the rest of the world says Americans are ignorant
     
  14. Daniel from Montréal

    Aug 4, 2000
    Montréal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Ok, I can't believe that no one has mentionned this before...

    1. The team made a profit in 2002 and I doubt they'd want to jump ship to MLS to lose money.

    2. Saputo is the heart and soul of the organisation and he has repeatedly said he has no interest in MLS.

    3. With the Expos leaving town (eventually) and the Impact getting bigger crowds, and greater media coverage (this year), I think that Montréal could qualify as a "Canadian-soccer city" and will continue to grow over the next 4 years (5 year plan).

    4. The Impact is partially owned by the government and one of its mandates is to breed and give a chance to the best local talent (over half our roster is from the Montréal area). In MLS, this could not happen. And Montréalers love watching their own (bar Brisebois ;)).

    5. IF, and that's a huge IF, the MLS were to SOMEHOW come to Montréal in the next few years, they would most likely play at Molson Stadium, home of the CFL Alouettes. With Fieldturf being installed this year, there is a dispute between the Als who want permanent lines and the university and city, who want a blank field for soccer.

    http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/north_america/canada/quebec/montreal_molson.shtml

    Slideshow:
    http://members.tripod.com/cfldimension/m-1.html

    Capacity will be at 20,400 this year and 24,000 in 2005.
     
  15. Joe Stoker

    Joe Stoker Member

    Mar 10, 2003
    Stokerland
    Looks like the makings of a sad sports summer up north with SARS in Toronto & the Big Owe (or Ouch!!!) still deemed safe for habitation in Montreal.

    ax319: Ottawa will be in the first expansion wave. I promise (and I'm not Doug Logan).

    Revolt: Hell's bells is right! If Moosejaw came thru with an investor, a stadium, and 8000 season ticket pledges, they'd be right there, too!

    All seriousness aside...

    Have the Impact owners ever made any noise about a Canadian Div 1 league?
     
  16. Daniel from Montréal

    Aug 4, 2000
    Montréal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    To all intents and purposes, before 2002, the Impact owner was Joey Saputo and he's still the de-facto president.

    Around fall 2000, plans started to emerge about a Canadian United Soccer League (CUSL), loosely based on the MLS SEM. Unfortunately, the plans never got off the ground (for many reasons) and as the "coalition" started disintegrating, Saputo and other owners pulled out of the idea.

    However, with appaling numbers in the early part of the A-League (attendance-wise) for many teams and if the Canadian expansion materialises, then I wouldn't be surprised if a Canadian league was started up, even on a bigger scale than the A-League (in collaboration with the CFL/CFL Stadiums).

    Sometimes you need to start big.
     
  17. WVKeeper

    WVKeeper Member

    Jun 20, 2002
    Charlotte Suburbs, SC
    Club:
    Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are f&%king nuts? what do you mean montreal couldn't support hockey? Montreal is the winningest professional sports franchise in the North American Continent?
     
  18. furie

    furie Member

    Jun 29, 2002
    Long Island, NY
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The name of the thread is Montreal OR the Quebec Province.
     
  19. yellowbismark

    yellowbismark Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Wow. That is one of the sweetest stadiums I've ever seen. I hope you guys get blank fieldturf so some soccer games could be played there.
     
  20. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Montreal Canadiens - 24 Stanley Cups
    New York Yankees - 26 World Series Championships

    Is 24 bigger than 26?
     
  21. Daniel from Montréal

    Aug 4, 2000
    Montréal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Apparently, the university has decided on blank Fieldturf.
     
  22. Joe Stoker

    Joe Stoker Member

    Mar 10, 2003
    Stokerland
    Blank field-turf at Molson should score Canada some points with FIFA, re the country's desire to host some Women's WC contests if the US gets the tournament (if the CSA is on the ball, forgive the pun).

    Certainly a small victory for soccer in Montreal. Now, if soccer people there will make the most of it.
     
  23. Daniel from Montréal

    Aug 4, 2000
    Montréal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I doubt it. Fieldturf is still Fieldturf (not grass) and the school season will have started by the time the WWC rolls around, making the field booked solid. If Canada's group is going to play in Canada, it'll be Edmonton, who, on top of a top-notch grass facility, have a (recent) history of success with the women, which can't be said about Montréal (our last game was a friendly in 1998 v China that attracted 4,000; the team is playing here on Monday in an emergency rescheduled game, expect less than 1,000 at a training facility...).
     
  24. petkedude

    petkedude New Member

    May 3, 2002
    NJ & Camp Lejeune,NC
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    obviously you haven't seen the numbers that the yankees have.
     
  25. Khansingh

    Khansingh New Member

    Jan 8, 2002
    The Luton Palace
    As it relates to the Alouettes and Molson Stadium and turf lines, I have to agree with the Alouettes. They are dedicated tennants who regularly sell out the place and don't want to have to repaint the lines and advertisements all of the time. Considering that the WWC won't be in Canada until at least 2011 and that the CSA can only promise one or two friendlies per year, it seems just that the Alouettes' needs and wants come first. And considering that they sacrificed expensive seats and de-crowned the field all to make the field soccer-ready, they've already done plenty.
     

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