Post-match: Montreal Impact - San Jose Earthquakes (Saturday, 8/18) postgame thread [R]

Completely BS red card on Lenhart. Yellow at worst. Horrible call by the ref. Completely screwed us. Mark this one down with a huge asterisk and move on to the next one.

Moreover, if the ref thought he was being fair with a double-red, he wasn't. Montreal lost a mediocre CB, we lost one of the best target forwards in the league.

 

I went back to my old pattern of cursing Frank. He waited way too long to sub when so many players looked lethargic. Chavez was obviously tired from the outset and not contributing much. I thought for sure Bernardez would get a 2nd yellow, he was so mad and fouling badly. Frank could have tossed Ike into the cooker. And why didn't he take garza along? The internationals should have ben rested; instead it was like frank was punishing them for their call ups.

And Lenny - He's gotta stop being a punk.

 

This is what i saw. Camera deserved a red, Lenny did nothing wrong at all except get he's face in the way of Cameras fist, i literally don't know what he ever done to get a yellow, what an awful call. Besides that the other Red to Hendandez was correct & the PK. Any lastly but not least i've said it two or three times recently & i'll say it again, Morrow just is'nt that good a player, how the hell he made the AllStar team is beyond me but that aside i've said it before and ill say it again he's not very good, he got burnt against Vancouver by Richards all night & completly cost us the first goal, he got burnt against Seattle for the tying goal & he got majorly burnt on the first Caps goal, he totally messed that long ball up, it was just so bad it was painfull. Move him back into the centre for Henandez now & put Ramrio in there, you don't make a living in this league for 16 years unless you know how to play, i would rather have a good older player then a crap younger player, end of.
By the way how many game's till Gordans back? I think were screwed up top without our two target forwards.

 

If you think Camara is a mediocre CB at best, then you sir know nothing about football.
He is one of the best in MLS. Not surprising that Europe is interested in him.

 

Wondo other than the pk, didn't do much. He had one good shot that went wide. Buch showed his age on the second goal and Hernandez should no longer start. Maybe its time to look at Ramrio at sweeper once again although not sure which one would be worse at the position. It just was not the Quakes night.

 

Yes, Lenhart screwed up and played the fool but the official over-reacted, two yellow cards and a severe warning to both players would have been sufficient to restore order and i'm not really sure why we were given a PK, the situation didn't seem to warrant one.
We owned the game for the first 20 minutes, it was ours to lose, after Lenhart's sending off the wheels fell of the cart and we drifted aimlessly for the rest of the match, Hernandez and his atrocious takedown just sounded the death knell.
This is a game best forgotten but that's going to be difficult if we have to face Colorado without Lenhart, Hernandez, Salinas and possibly Bernardez.

 

More joke refereeing from MLS just as folks are starting to take the league a little bit more seriously. I pretty much stopped paying attention after the two reds because I've seen so many MLS games totally ruined and turned into some sort of slapstick comedy show by this sort of refereeing over the past few years.

They said something like that guy was ref'ing only his 6th MLS match - send him back to the minors until he understands the game a little better, cause last night was a ********ing farcical fail.

 

The only other explanation other than the referee not understanding how to do his ********ing job in a sane manner is that this was a continuation of the MLS conspiracy to not let MLS Cup be at Buck Shaw and to not let the Quakes win the league.

 

So do I. But it'll be hard down two, possibly three, players. Dumb play by our guys on key plays. Don't know what got into them but I'm hoping Frank can scare that shit out of them real fast.

 

Back from East Coast trip.

Montreal was always going to be the favorite in this one, they are very good right now and awesome at home. That said we came out flying and the Impact looked totally discombobulated.

If it weren't for Gordon in the wings, I'd say Lenhart is easily more important to this team than Wondo. Gordon would have been fine in this game because we didn't need the long outlet ball.

After the red the Quakes played like a dominating 11 man side... without the 11th man. It was shooting fish in a barrel... with no ammo. Bowling with softballs.

I wish Wondo had been ejected instead, then we would at least have had a game plan.

That said, we didn't need to lose this game. Morrow added another needless over-commit blunder to the list, and nobody stepped up on Neagle on a 2 on 6. Wondo and Dawkins had chances as good as Neagle's but Neagle converted.

Gordon better stay healthy these next 2 games.

The West looks good for us, but the East has a lot of teams with favorable schedules so we need to take care of business at home to get that home field for the Cup.

 

why wasn't garza in the 18?

all this talk about depth but i'm not seeing it. with one player out on suspension (gordon), one player injured (shea) and one perhaps tired from a mid week game (chavez) and we have nothing to sub for offensive power. suspensions, injuries & fatigue are all part of a long season and last night it really hurt us.

on the bench we had more defensive subs than offensive subs. on the defense we had opara, ring, zayner and khari (for me 1 or 2 goals in 2.5 season doesn't make him that much of an offensive threat but he doesn't play defense that well either i guess). on the the offense we had sercan who hasn't proven anything in this league, garza was mia and mehdi can't travel to canada (was this considered when we picked him up as that's 3-6 games a season he can't play in).

next week we get gordon back but lenny's not available so we are again missing offense off the bench. we need more renforcements and it's almost too late....

p.s: i'd have liked duane richards from ny over mehdi any day.

 

The television coverage was poorer than usual because Kozimor and Gray watched the match from the studio in the Bay Area rather than from the stadium in Montreal. They were guessing what was going on, especially during the Lenhart/Camara dust up. In this case major league soccer = minor league coverage.

 

Apparently you didn't see everything. Did you read any of the posts here? Watch any replays? Lenny threw his right hand up into the guy's face. Someone already suggested that we not view this situation through homer glasses. Lenhart is a valuable player who can make things happen and can score goals, but he's no choirboy. We all know he does his fair share of fouling and provoking people. Don't go around pretending that he never does anything wrong. As I said here earlier, Lenny giveth and Lenny taketh away, and unless he alters his approach to the game, we're all going to have to get used to seeing him suspended from time to time.

 

ahahahahaha

anyone who gets lit up by TFC is not one of the best CB's in MLS

LMAO

 

Camara would be in the 18-men roster of any MLS team kiddo. He can play defensive mildfielder, fullback or centre back and he's beasting in those three roles. Get it right. By the way he had offers from Leeds United, Crystal Palace and L2 clubs.

 

But really, Sue, have you wondered why Camara was trash-talking into Lenny's ear? Doubt that this came out of nothing and nowhere, if you get my drift. I know Lenny didn't punch the guy, but come on. Do you think the guy went ballistic on Lenny for no good reason? Anyway, the sweep of the hand may not have been forceful, but when it's to the face, that's different than just about any other place on the body.

 

Mista and Julian De Guzman and Nery Castillo had offers from decent clubs too when they came here. what matters is how you perform when you get here not where you have offers from.

if you are marking RYAN JOHNSON and let him score on you, you are not one of the best CB's in the league.

 

Everybody makes mistakes, one mistake doesn't make you a bad player, you can't judge a player in one action, you must watch many games to determine the level of a player.
Stop making excuses and just admit Montreal were the better side yesterday. Montreal will be a top MLS team in the next years.

 

They weren't the better side until the Quakes lost the centerpiece of their offense.

 

It wasn't one mistake in that video the very next highlight after Johnson's goal is Camara getting burned by Ashtone Morgan for TFC's 3rd goal. He is a league average CB, maybe above average at best but he is not "one of the best in MLS."

11 v 11 SJ is a better team. We dominated the first 20 minutes in your house. The red card changed the game. Nice result for you guys but it has a big asterisk next to it with the bogus red on Lenhart.

 

Lenhart has a reputation with the officials, and he knows it. He knows he's always going to be under a microscope, but he often gets too "cute" hoping he'll get away with something. I don't fault the referee for the two sendoffs -- rather I fault him for letting the temperature between Camara and Lenny get too hot without doing anything about it. There had been two or three incidents in the five minutes prior to the sendoffs that should have been dealt with by the ref with a stern ass-chewing and perhaps a caution or two, but he stupidly ignored what was going on around him and lost control as a result.

In terms of Bernardez' stomping -- it would be extremely difficult from my repeated viewings for anybody to make the determination that there was any intent there. He was moving back fast to try and cover, and Naegle (sp?) went down right in his path -- it may have been intentional, it may have been inadvertent, but I tend to doubt the DC should act on this.

Morrow either didn't know where he was (i.e. in the penalty area) -- which is pretty stupid for a pro -- or was simply being a dumbass.

I'm sure glad we get Flash back next week. I know at least one person here is going to disagree vehemently with me, but I thought Simon did well -- he probably took more shots on goal than the rest of the team combined... Otherwise, an utterly forgettable outing. Every team has a few each season, and I think we can be happy that we've had so few to date. I don't think it really points out any dire problems -- it was just a flat outing. On a positive note, at least Wondo got his scoring touch back. Hopefully, we'll see a lot more of that over the next month or so...

 

This week I agree with you completely.

I also don't understand how we got the pk. I can understand the ref or linesman only seeing Camara's reaction to Lenhart's provocation, and blowing the whistle, which would give us the pk, however, since Lenny also saw red, and his action being the initial one, shouldn't it have been a free kick for Montreal????