PK looked a little soft to me as I thought the other defender was getting to the ball. But the really curious situation is the Ref blew the whistle and pointed to the corner before the ball went into the goal for the game winner. http://www.mlssoccer.com/matchcenter/2012-05-26-col-v-mtl/highlights?videoID=187265 You can pause around the 37 second mark in the video and see the ball clearly not in the net, the ref is pointing to the corner with his mouth on the whistle. And in the beginning of the video you can clearly hear the whistle being blown before the ball is in the net.
As I posted in the other thread are we sure that the timing is synced up correctly sound to video? I'm not sure.
I am not seeing another Montreal @ Colorado thread? am I blind? lol. I think on the first sequence seen in the highlight I posted, it is. Why would he be pointing to the corner with the whistle in his mouth. And conveniently, that is when we hear the whistle. [edit]Well, we don't hear a 2nd whistle either though. So maybe you are right. Just to throw more confusion into the mix, lol. [edit2]Still convinced he blew it for the corner though watching from the angle from behind the net. The he is pointing at the corner flag with the whistle in his mouth for around 2 seconds if the highlight isn't sped up or slowed for that sequence. [edit3]And we do hear the whistle as soon as he puts the whistle to his mouth in the first sequence. Listening and watching it all lines up. Would be a pretty strange coincidence we hear the sound from the whistle when he blew it for the goal at that exact moment. We also don't hear the crowd erupting at that moment either.
I'm gonna wait for proof but I'll just say I put the whistle up to my mouth sometimes and don't blow it...for advantage and the like. Call me naive but if a ref blew the whistle and then allowed the goal...it would be a mistake that in all my years I've never seen or even heard of before. edit I'm starting to see that the players are coming out and saying they heard a whistle too. Now to blow a whistle in this situation is a huge failure. BUT to blow the whistle than ALLOW the goal is an even bigger MONUMENTAL Failure. It would've been better if the referee called a corner kick or the proper call a drop ball for the inadvertent whistle. Allowing the goal in this instance if that is what happen is wrong in a huge huge way. I can't imagine as an AR or a 4th I'd let the referee get away with that, I would immediately call him over and tell him he has to do a drop ball instead because a replay would be on the table if he didn't. I can't see him reffing ever again for a mistake like that honestly.
Guys, he barely blew his whistle and stopped himself in his tracks because he realized the ball wasn't out. The fact is, the whistle was blown, no matter how slight the sound. What amazed me is he never even bothered with checking with his AR to see if the ball is in play or not before blowing the whistle. That is the real screw up. I know refs like to be decisive and eliminate any controversy if a goal got scored in the subsequent seconds and they have to disallow it. No one likes disallowing goals.
I was watching it on MLSLive, which is much better about the audio / video sync, and thought there was a whistle at the time, and I just pulled it up again and that definitely has the whistle happening before the goal. I am surprised, though, that it didn't look like Montreal argued about it. I would think they would have been furious about allowing the goal if Kadlecik had indeed blown the whistle. Scratch that - they do argue, though it looks like it's with the AR about it going out, not about the whistle. And we don't see a whole lot of the argument because of the broadcast showing replays. But still, if one of the Montreal players had heard the whistle before the goal, I'm surprised they didn't get in Kadlecik's face about it.
Assuming that the referee did blow the whistle, what to do at that point is for me a question of the greater good. There was a only a fraction of a second between the audible tweet on the replay and the goal, not enough time for any of the players to stop what they were doing based on the whistle. I know the LOTG. I would say that measuring back in time from the moment the ball enters the goal the whistle wasn't early enough/loud enough to have an effect on play, and I would let the goal stand.
Being at the game I can tell you a number of the Impact players immediately surrounded the ref after the goal. Being in a supporters section I couldn't hear the incorrect whistle so we weren't sure what they were so upset about but they were obviously pissed about something. After the game a AR had to stand between a Impact player and the CR as well.
Full disclosure: I am a Colorado fan and was sitting behind the goal at issue. Ref messed up - I heard the whistle and saw the corner indication from the Center while the ball was still bouncing along the cross bar. From my vantage point (about 20 rows up, just a bit off the center of the goal), it sure looks like CR decided corner while ball was still in play on the rail and indicated such. As a Colorado fan - whoo hoo he allowed the goal, Rapids get three points. As a ref - he messed up and the goal shouldn't have counted. I didn't get to go to the post-game Q&A, so not sure how it was (if it was) addressed there.
Hopefully the soccer gods won't punish the Rapids down the road. Soccer has a funny way of working things out in the course of a season.
Unbelievably gutless by the official. No question he screwed up. He clearly blows the play dead and points. But to then act like you didn't - pathetic. Coward.
The amazing thing is that the right result happened, but in a horrible way that shouldn't have counted. The replay made it clear the ball never went out, so a corner kick was the wrong call and the goal was the right one. But because of the whistle the goal should have been waved off.
A heavily contested drop ball I would think, unlike what usually happens with a drop ball. Usually one side grants the team that should have possession an uncontested drop ball, but even though possession should be Colorado's in this case I can't imagine Montreal allowing them a free drop ball on the 6.
WTF the ref blow the whistle the play should be stop in or no inside the field the play should be considerate dead when the ref blow a whistle the third goal should not be good its a real joke or what if they will be a video replay the goal will be no good MLS you should do something with your referee staff this ref should be suspended for at least a couple of game for the bad judge he did.
There is a mechanic I have been noticing where referees immediately call goal kick or corner kick with a whistle sometimes. I don't like this mechanic...I've tried it and I think it does prevent some dissent but if it gets you in the mindset of blowing the whistle immediately all the time than it's not good.
So if the whistle we're hearing is from the CR to indicate a corner this would be a mis-application of the rules and as such the game could be replayed, right? Would it be replayed from the beginning, just the last few minutes after the goal, or would that part of the decision be up to the league and/or teams?
If they replayed it, it would be a replay from the beginning. Thinking it's a corner kick or blowing your whistle inadvertently isn't a misapplication of the laws...letting the play continue and allowing the goal to stand is. I've honestly never seen it in this game, and it's really to me a nightmare situation. I still cannot believe the crew didn't force the referee to drop the ball instead.
Right, that's what I was trying to say. Had he actually stopped play and given a corner it would have been the wrong call but not one that could force a replay. So there's no mechanism to just replay the last minutes after the goal? I expect MLS to look the other way and let the result stand (if there was an incorrect whistle, we still don't know for sure), but if they determine a replay is necessary as a Rapids fan I think replaying the whole game is better for us than just replaying the last few minutes.
If this game is replayed, is it basically wiped from the record? In other words, do the stats count? Do players have their goals wiped away? Does Tyrone Marshall's red card stand?
I was trail AR in a game where the CR blew the whistle to tell the attacking team to throw the ball in. But by the time he blew the whistle the ball had already been thrown. The defenders stopped, but the attackers continued and scored. What a fiasco.
An appeal here could get very, very interesting. Kind of sad for Kadlecik because I've been pretty impressed with him up to this point.
I've had that as an AR in a HS game. Sub wasn't complete but team threw it in and scored. CR check with both of us (sub was on my side, throw was on AR2's side) and called it back. Coach was upset with the CR at first then CR explained and the coach lit into the thrower instead for screwing up a great opportunity.