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Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Stuart95, Aug 5, 2019.

  1. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What is their official policy on that subject? Is there a precedent?
     
  2. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I'm not surprised. As you say, MLS did not want the bad press. And they don't care about precedent, because they never have in any context. Inconsistency is the only thing you can rely on with MLS.
     
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  3. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Bedoya was just named player of the week, probably for his activism rather than play. Fining him would just bring bad press to the league. They'll wait until someone says something more inflammatory.
     
  4. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    That may be true, but it goes to my initial point that MLS is run by hypocrites who refuse to live by the same rules they expect their fans to abide by.
     
  5. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    And someone surely will.
     
  6. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Zlatan probably has that covered. I doubt Petke speaks out too much the rest of the year.
     
  7. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #57 MPNumber9, Aug 6, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2019
    We restrict who can fly planes and drive cars to those who can prove proficiency, precisely because they have the potential to be deadly. Would you accept this for potential gun owners?
     
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  8. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think they are men running a business; their personal political beliefs, I think, are not a huge factor as much as doing what's best for the company (thankfully).
     
  9. MannieG

    MannieG Member+

    Nov 30, 2006
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're the ass hat if you think anything short of staunch physical resistance is an acceptable means of dealing with nazis/white supremacists. I never mentioned anything about what happened at Berkley, you're deflecting whilst ignoring what's happened recently in charlottesville, christchurch, gilroy, El Paso, etc. and if you can, on any reasonable level, compare them equally you are part of the problem.
     
  10. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Who said anything about anyone's personal political beliefs? I'm saying they are not treating us fans fairly. Their motives are immaterial. They're hypocrites to make us adhere to standards they will not abide for themselves or their employees.
     
  11. LampLighter

    LampLighter Member

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019
    That's also a very poor analogy, drugs are something you take yourself. Also no a lot of the people doing these things are obtaining the guns legally.
     
  12. Mr. Bandwagon

    Mr. Bandwagon Member

    Terremotos
    May 24, 2001
    the Barbary Coast
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So to sum up, according to MLS:
    • national anthem & national flag = good/required at all matches
    • political speech protected by the 1st amendment = bad/banned (except when politically inexpedient, or grand-fathered in, or you know...)
     
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  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be clear, political speech is not explicitly protected from being blocked by your employer by the 1st amendment. The 1st amendment only prevents the government from blocking it (and even then, there are exceptions).
     
  14. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh. Well, yeah, I guess. But I don't know of too many business that don't regulate the discourse within that business.
     
  15. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Mar 10, 2010
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For awareness, the press is 75% of the vote for MLS Player of the week. 25% is from the fans via Twitter poll. MLS as a league is not involved in the vote.
    The first words of the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution are "Congress shall make no law [...]" MLS doesn't infringe upon 1st Amendment rights. Only the government can.
     
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  16. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is true, but if we believe in free speech as a value and human right, and something crucial to a functioning democracy, then some of its protections should apply to private institutions and private spaces, which have far more influence over our lives today than at the time of writing of the Constitution.
     
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  17. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    The quasi-public space theories of extending free speech protections to shopping malls, social media -- and sports stadia -- have not been fully developed. A test legal case by ECS and/or Timbers Army against MLS with regard to Antifa banners in a stadium in California, where state free speech law is ostensibly broader, would be a welcome development.
     
  18. Mateofelipe

    Mateofelipe Member+

    Mar 10, 2001
    Spokane, WA
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder where the soccer went. You know, that amazing game that Republicans, Deomocrats, Libertarians, and Vegetarians all love?

    As a a gay man, I like those rainbow uniform numbers in June, but it is political. MLS is all wet. It's views on this are driven by polls. The Golden Rule is I want Hinkley to have the same freedom and liberty as I desire for myself.
     
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  19. LampLighter

    LampLighter Member

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019
    Who's Hinkley?
     
  20. Mateofelipe

    Mateofelipe Member+

    Mar 10, 2001
    Spokane, WA
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Err, I meant Hinkle.
     
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