MLS vs NBA vs NFL on ticket revenue.

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by DCU1996, Feb 8, 2008.

  1. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    MLS 2007 average ticket price: $22.47

    NFL 2007 average ticket price: $67.83

    NBA 2007 average ticet price: $48.83

    NHL 2007 average ticet price: $43.13
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    MLS 2007 average attendance: 16000

    NFL 2007 average attendance: 65000

    NBA 2007 average attendance: 17000

    NHL 2007 average attendance: 16486
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    MLS 2008 # of Home game: 15

    NFL 2008 # of Home game: 8

    NBA 2008 # of Home game: 41

    NHL 2008 # of Home game: 41
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    Reference: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/other/5488159.html
    http://andrewsstarspage.com/NHL-Business/


    Looks to me just for the attendance and ticket revenue area, MLS can do OK for the future comparing to other leagues.

    I think near term goal for ticket price should be around $30 and average attendance around 22k

    Long term goal is to come close to be on par with NBA and NHL. ticket $40, attendance 30k.
     
  2. MNAFETSC

    MNAFETSC Member

    Feb 5, 2000
    Blacksburg
    Your the first person Ive heard of wanting ticket prices to increase.
     
  3. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    not wanting, but expecting provided by increase in the quality of the product and demand.
     
  4. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That can't be acurate.


    The cheapest ticket in Giants Stadium is $22.00.
     
  5. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Here's the Chronicle's per-team listing:

    MLS

    1. Los Angeles Galaxy $32.50
    2. Toronto FC $30.29
    3. D. C. United $29
    T4. Chicago Fire $24
    T4. New England Revolution $24*
    League average $22.47
    6. New York Red Bulls $21.83
    7. Houston Dynamo $20.50
    8. Chivas USA $19.40
    T9. FC Dallas $18.50
    T9. Columbus Crew $18.50*
    11. Real Salt Lake $18.25
    12. Colorado Rapids $17.90
    13. Kansas City Wizards $17.50

    Source: MLS teams
    * Estimate (team declined to provide data)
     
  6. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I guess we have some around $15 cheap seats for some teams?

    That might bring down the average
     
  7. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    based on season ticket prices

    I also didn't include the field level expesnive seats.

    Chicago
    http://chicago.fire.mlsnet.com/t100/stadium/bridgeview/seating/

    $45-20 $15- Supporters Section

    Chivas USA
    https://secure.mlsnet.com/t120/tickets/2008/season/index.jsp

    $40-20 $10- Supporters Section

    Colorado
    http://www.coloradorapids.com/Tickets/SeasonTickets.aspx

    $35-18

    Columbus
    http://columbus.crew.mlsnet.com/t102/stadium/
    $35-15

    DC United
    http://dcunited.mlsnet.com/t103/tickets/plan_pricing.jsp

    $50-20

    Dallas
    https://secure.mlsnet.com/t104/tickets/2008/season/plans/index.jsp?plan=full
    $45-20

    Houston
    http://houston.mlsnet.com/t200/tickets/season_info/
    $40-15

    Kansas City
    http://kc.wizards.mlsnet.com/t105/tickets/season/

    $25-15

    LA
    https://secure.mlsnet.com/t106/tickets/2008/season/

    $65-25

    New England
    http://www.revolutionsoccer.net/TicketPackages/index.cfm?ac=Seasons

    $30-15

    New York
    https://secure.mlsnet.com/t107/tickets/2008/season/order/

    $65-22 $18 Supporters Section

    Salt Lake
    https://secure.mlsnet.com/t121/tickets/2008/season/

    $40-20

    San Jose
    http://web.mlsnet.com/t110/tickets/plans_pricing/

    $50-18

    Toronto
    http://toronto.fc.mlsnet.com/t280/tickets/seating/

    $70-20






    There is no way the average ticket price is $22 in MLS. Its probably way closer to $30. The really cheap seats are smaller in section size that the midfield seats that are more expensive.
     
  8. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    I think the figure's probably pretty legit. The expensive sections in many of those venues are pretty small. Besides, I think Fallas asked the team FOs and these are the numbers given, with the exception of NE and CLB which didn't answer. In DC, I have one of the nicer sections for my season tickets, and I pay less than $20 a game.
     
  9. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is some Arthur Anderson accounting if our average ticket price is less than our general admission ticket price.
     
  10. kirsoccer

    kirsoccer BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 29, 2007

    Actually if you do some quick calculations I think this makes sense. If you take each season ticket category and divide by the estimated # of games (I assumed 20 which is the number of games that RSL tries to provide their season ticket holders each year), and then take a simple average of these ticket categories then you come up with $23.87. Ideally you would weight this to take into account how many seats are available in each category -and you would expect the more expensive categories to have fewer seats available.

    Also this is 2008 prices, I assume the data reported is based on 2007 prices.

    The other option would be that they took data on actual tickets sold which would include packages, promotions, etc.
     
  11. KC must lose alot of money considering how cheap their tickets are and their low attendance.
     
  12. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well not all are 20 games, here its 16. Also the largest sections of season ticket sales tend to be the midfield seats (which are more expensive) and the most numerous.

    If thats what the clubs are claiming so be it.
     
  13. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    how many kids tickets are sold, and how much cheaper are they? It could make a difference to the overall average. Similarly, are free tickets counted? e.g. did they work this out by taking the ticket income and just dividing by the total number of spectators?
     
  14. ButlerBob

    ButlerBob Member

    Nov 13, 2001
    Evanston, IL
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, you also have to take into consideration the group ticket prices, because those are less then the regular ticket price. Also when some teams bring out really big goups, say with a big youth club or entire league they lower the prices even more. You need to take into consideration all tickets sold.
     

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