News: MLS Suspends season due to Coronavirus

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  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Come on, even the first FA Cup final had an attendance of 2,000. It will take more than one season to establish a new competition.
     
  2. PhillyMLS

    PhillyMLS Member+

    Oct 24, 2000
    SE PA
    People seem to think every country is like England or Germany when it comes to attendance. This year's Coppa Italia had 3rd round games where Parma and Genoa draw 5.5k each, Udinese 5.2k, and Sassuolo 2.9k. The 4th round had several first division teams not even break 2k. Udinese had an attendance of 3k for their match.



    The Coupe de France has some real crap attendance at times and even Nice only drew half their normal attendance for a quarter-final game while several teams in the Netherlands play to half or less of their normal attendance. Of course even the FA Cup has half filled stadiums in a bunch of earlier round games, but people only focus on the crowds of the big teams or when a big team plays down a level. They ignore Burnley playing in front of 8k, Preston North End getting 7.6k for a game against Norwich (they averaged 13.5k in the league), or Cardiff not even getting 5k (averaged 22.8k in the league) for a game against Reading. People need to get some perspective when they assume that the USOC isn't taken as seriously as it is in "Europe".
     
  3. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Hell, there was no CopaMX between 1997 and 2012.
     
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  4. tigersoccer2005

    tigersoccer2005 Member+

    Dec 1, 2003
    North Bergen, NJ
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  5. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's hard to see the news re: the Oxford study as being particularly comforting. This BBC story (about the Moderna vaccine, but with an Oxford update) includes this quote:
    It ends with:
    So it might not reduce transmission. That has to be a serious shortcoming.

    The news of the Moderna vaccine trial is very heartening, but the Oxford results are probably a reminder of why we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves until human trials are much further along, and there's a better idea of how billions of doses of vaccine can be made. There's never been an RNA vaccine for humans that's gone to market. But the good news is that it should be faster and cheaper to ramp up production than would be the case for a traditional vaccine:

    https://www.phgfoundation.org/briefing/rna-vaccines
     
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  6. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    And the bad news is that it will be very hard to distribute as RNA vaccines have very short expiration dates.

    I am still optimistic about the Oxford vaccine. If it cuts death tolls by say... 10 by preventing the chance of pneumonia it's still a game changer until we can get something better.
     
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  7. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Read the articles about the Modena work - they essentially released a press release after testing on 8 people. It was done specifically to get administration attention and shouldn't be cause for either enthusiasm or pessimism. Science needs to science before we get enthusiastic.
     
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  8. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    They tested on 45 people, but the press release only talks about 8.
     
  9. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did you check out this this article that @CMeszt posted?

    None of this invalidates anything in the Moderna research. Just places it into context. I appreciate that people whose opinions I value still say they're cautiously optimistic about this. Though that doesn't mean they're optimistic we'll have a vaccine by early 2021.
     
  10. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Lets see the news out of Oxford that they are promising by mid-June. They skipped small trials and went straight to thousands, so they really are years ahead of everyone else.
     
  11. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004


    Too weird. I'd rather they just crown the winner of this tournament the 2020 champion and move on to planning a way for us to have a full 2021...
     
  12. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So I read the athletic article (you all should subscribe) and it seems like a decent plan to get something on the field and salvage some joy.

    It does seem that there is a lot of convincing to be done for the players to agree. The article mentions that some stars (Vela, Chicharito and Nani specifically) aren't fans of the idea.

    I think the bottom line with the near term return of sports is that there are no good options just a variety of bad ones to choose from.
     
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  13. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Bundesliga works for me... Let's do that.
     
  14. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    So between 3% and 5% of the entire population of the city they play in? ;) haha. but I get your point. Coppa Italia has never been seen as very prestigious. I wonder why they bother with it tbh.
     
  15. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It does seem a pretty pointless exercise once you've got 22 players playing a soccer game with all that entails. Everyone is breathing down each other's necks on set pieces while yelling. So what if teammates, who are practicing together everyday, additionally yell after a goal? It seems negligible at that point.
     
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  16. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    NHL voting on whether they should come back with a 24 team playoff instead of finishing the regular season.
     
  17. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    The United States is investing $1 billion to start manufacturing the Oxford vaccine at scale this fall. (presumably only if it works)
     
  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey, they've invested $1 trillion on a plane that doesn't fly.
     
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  19. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That hasn't stopped some political figures from investing in and promoting experimental drugs that have PROVEN to not be effective against Covid......
     
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  20. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or maybe not. I mean, Bill Gates is proposing to fund (or help fund) the proactive development of seven factories to produce the seven most promising vaccines, while testing is still underway. The only way to get vaccines mass-produced quickly is to build out the capacity to produce them in vast quantities while the vaccines are still in development (i.e., before it's known which one(s) - if any - will work). That almost guarantees that some (perhaps a lot of) money will be spent building facilities that aren't used. But if you don't do it, you delay by months actually having access to a working vaccine.

    To be clear, I have absolutely no problem with the US Government (or Gates Foundation) "wasting" a few billion $ in this way. Money well-spent, if you ask me.
     
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  21. FijiUnited

    FijiUnited Member+

    Feb 21, 2007
    Orlando
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I suppose you’d have to look at the cost of unused manufacturing capacity vs the cost of a multi-month delay in rolling out the vaccine. Seems like a no-brainer to me if reopening the economy in earnest is the goal.
     
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  22. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Plus, you know, saving lives.
     
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  23. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reasons:

    Germany is a bit bigger than New Mexico.
    Germany has full buy in from all towns, cities, leagues, etc. for testing, tracing, distancing, etc.
    Germany overall understands that science will drive this and will ultimately provide the way out and back to a new normal.

    Having all MLS teams in one area is a bit like having all the teams in one state.

    We could have all the teams come to CA and play in San Jose, Stanford, Berkeley, Oakland, Los Angeles, Carson, Pasadena, Coliseum, and UCLA.

    Northern Cal/Southern Cal - travel by bus.

    The problem is a lack of permanent broadcast infrastructure. Orlando apparently has that.

    If they had made a plan a month ago we could have CA Regions/Games.

    But - we've got Florida.
     
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  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How quickly can you vaccinate 365 million people, how do you monitor potential side-effects, and how many have to suffer side effects before you shut the whole thing down?
     

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