you dont' think there's an upper limit? can a league have 36 teams? dont' think so. its just too many. so they will have to split into two, or slough off a few teams to make room. those are the choices. america is huge and clearly there is an appetite for more than 32 major league teams.
if cities want to have Div 1 teams, they if they can't join MLS then they will join USL. There just isn't 2 Div 1 leagues in our major sports though; so that means only soccer will do it
One of them won't survive. At one point they either merge or one goes bankrupt. One will be seen as the inferior D1 by fans and players alike.
no other pro sports have 2 div 1 leagues. so only soccer will? usl and mls or more likely will mls acquire or block usl? or will mls capitulate to the cities that want team like Sacramento, Detroit, Indianapolis and add more teams?
Anyways... my point is you don't drop Toronto (for example) for Sacramento.... Sacramento isn't a "div 1" city. Mls does not need to expand to secondary markets. Remember the NASL?
Whhhhatttt???? Sacramento already had an MLS in the works before Covid killed it There are many cities smaller that have MLS teams dude And Sac Republic would be a Div 1 team in USL. follow the news muchacho
I follow the news. Sacramento was MAYBE going to get an MLS team.. but they don't , do they? And they shouldn't either. My point is you were advocating for Sacramento or Indianapolis over Toronto and Vancouver. Not every frickin' city needs or deserves an MLS team. Give it a rest. I'm done with you and your very muddled arguements. Just a waste of time.
Sacramento has a NBA team so why wouldn't they have an MLS team? dude sacramento is bigger or same size as alot of MLS cities like Columbus, Charlotte, Austin, Cincinnati, St Louis
You have to build up the Canada league. then concacaf champions cup will mean something. why does uefa champions mean something? because italy, spain, england and germany and france everyone knows the teams. everyone knows PSG and Inter and Bayern and Barcelona and Real Madrid and Liverpool So to make it more marketable you have to grow brand. and you can't grow brand if only there is 2 countries big
Here we go again.... What do you suggest should happen? Is CPL just going to print money to make stadiums, buy quality players, pay competitive salaries that can compete with MLS and Liga MX, force the people to show up to games and force sponsorships and TVs to give lucrative deals? Unless they do all that then by the next 2-3 years we will have another league that will challenge MLS and Liga MX. If they can't do that then there is nothing that can be done until it happens naturally, if it ever does.
If the three Canadian teams go to the CPL, imagine the SPL except with 3 teams instead of 2, and the next best teams being like one of the Dundee teams, not one of the Edinburgh teams.
And.... fans in Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal aren't going to show up for CPL matches like they do MLS matches.... basically three wasted large markets. Vancouver and Toronto already have CPL clubs, anyway (Vancouver FC and York).
I get what you are trying to say but only difference is that there is a salary cap in CPL. Even if they did go it won't be the same rosters as many of those players won't fit under CPL rules. CPL salary cap is $1.2M
They can take 2 MLS teams then they'll have 10 teams which is better than 8. What are they supposed to do with 8. lol that just seems lame
Why no one want Canada to grow big like USA Let's help little brother grow big like big brother I have dream for Canada population to be 80 million and CPL 20 teams
They made do, and dominated, their national sport having a top league with only 6 teams, only 2 of which were based in Canada, for 25 years, so I think they're fine with slow organic growth. You do realize, "taking x MLS teams" means MLS owners decide to sell their MLS franchise/SUM stake. No more MLS money paying the salaries, no revenue from all the sponsoship deals etc. The rosters would be completely different. I'm not sure but I'm guessing the IP would remain with MLS/SUM, so team names would be different.
Never thought this thread would make it this far as this is an endless and tired debate - even for me The answer to the thread's question MLS should exclude Canada - They already have, Garber said it years ago that those 3 were it. I heard he was hinting at perhaps more recently but the CSA will not allow it. @NewDadaCoach The 3 MLS clubs can never join CPL - ever: MLS being a single-entity league also own the IP, contracts and clubs themselves Those owners would have to sell their franchises and start new CPL clubs. CPL rejected the idea of launching clubs in CPL while owning MLS Clubs due to the perception of "B clubs" Only plausible scenarios USSF wants the Canadian clubs out of their pyramid (I think there was one candidate saying that at some point) CSA wants MLS out of Canada (Montagliani threaten MLS of pulling the clubs in the past) CONCACAF no longer recognize the validity of the exception allowing the 3 clubs to operate in another country's national competition (which is a FIFA rule) - this ruling would happen at the time of reapplying for a FIFA sanction which those 3 clubs must do. They have an exemption preventing them from reapplying on a yearly basis, a waiver, but it's unknown how long it lasts and until when. #3 is the most likely outcome If those owners wants to stay in MLS - they would have to Keep the club but relocate it in the US This would vacant the market and CPL would just move in OR Leave football altogether and cash out on their investment Sell their franchises to a US group that would relocate the club (Former USL club Ottawa Fury scenario --> CONCACAF denied their sanction due to CPL existing, they no longer recognized the validity of the exemption to FIFA rules) Another group would expand in CPL and take their markets 2 choices to stay in football Sell their franchises to a US group that would relocate the club and launch a CPL club* *CPL was willing to let Ottawa Fury operate outside it's 2019 salary cap. In my opinion, CPL would be wise to extend a similar offer to MLSE, Saputo and Vancouver if that was a possibility down the road. *They would have leverage to negotiate an "exclusivity clause" preventing the expansion of any additional clubs into their territory ensuring their monopoly -Anything can be negotiated... Hopes this sums it up
We're not your "little brother" - Trump made that clear - no? We'll grow organically on our own terms
Clubs would lose all their players as the league holds all the contracts. Since the plausibility of this scenario is at least a decade from now, CPL should be able to fit Canadians players in their future cap by then. It's not like those 3 clubs have many of them on the 1st team to begin with
Even if the league didn't hold the contracts those players wouldn't fit under current CPL rules and salary cap. That's why I said in the comment you quoted "even if they did go". So technically it will just be another totally different roster not the ones playing in MLS. So saying those 3 would be like Rangers and Celtic in the Scottish league it just wouldn't be possible. They'll be under the same rules as the rest of CPL.