Rumor: MLS Rule Changes

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  1. Oops, I thought he was a teenager when he came here.
     
  2. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. He was 24 when acquired. Side note- acquired for 1,000,000 Euros, sold 18 months later for 1,750,000 Euros according to Transfermarkt.
     
  3. Pennsylvania Dave

    Jul 31, 2012
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    Chicago Fire
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  4. goldclover

    goldclover Member+

    Mar 25, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I am good with MLS not being at all like the EPL. I do not want 5 teams always at the top because of no salary cap. But I also like that a team can spend a ton on up to 3 players. Best of both worlds to my way of thinking.
     
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  5. Jiggly_333

    Jiggly_333 Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 8, 2015
    Corner of Bedlam and Squalor (It's that way ->)
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I still think Anangono got screwed over.
     
  6. Old Man!

    Old Man! BigSoccer Supporter

    RIP Chicago Fire
    Mar 11, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Screwed over by expectations? Dude will always conjure memories of him stealing a pk, arguing about it and then missing it.
     
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  7. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Medran same…
     
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  8. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
     
  9. Jiggly_333

    Jiggly_333 Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 8, 2015
    Corner of Bedlam and Squalor (It's that way ->)
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    He could've developed a bit more, but we couldn't keep him around as a DP. And then when he went back to Ecuador, he started pounding in goals again.
     
  10. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    After leaving the Fire, he had a total of three seasons with double digits in goals (out of 13 seasons )

    Not exactly "pounding goals," but better than he showed with the Fire.
     
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  11. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Minimal info. But heard a rumor MLS might consider “ Icon Rule” for year-end.
    Player must be 33 or older, played minimum of 4 years at current team and a
    salary < Max-TAM. Teams would only have a Salary Budget Charge of $200,000.

    Anybody care to venture an opinion? Gimenez might qualify for this slot.
     
  12. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    ‘Vela rule’
    We’d have to renew Shaq to be able use it on him in 2026…
     
  13. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    HERBERS.
     
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  14. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based upon a quick review of expected rule, it looks to me like Gimenez may be the only Fire player eligible for 2025. Even he would not be eligible if it had to be a new contract renewal/extension.
    Herbers is a 1993 birthday so not old enough minimum age (33).
    Shaqiri only played three years (22,23,24), so not the required 4 years.
     
  15. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    MLS typically does four year contracts. 2 Years, and then 2 club options, so this makes sense. If someone comes in and does play out that entire scenario, a team can reward them and keep consistent.

    It's more complicated than it needs to be, but this is MLS so the financial rules are going to be silly.
     
  16. goldclover

    goldclover Member+

    Mar 25, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I like that new rule. Even if we would hardly use it for awhile.
     
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  17. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The cynic might bristle at the term "Icon Rule."
    More like "Hanger on Pass their Sale Date Rule" ;)

    Really, this is an excellent rule.

    We could have kept a slew of good veteran players a while longer.
    Have those aging, expensive veterans and continue to pay them accordingly, but only have a fraction of their salaries count towards the salary budget?
    Makes sense.

    Pretty much everything regarding MLS salary rules is more complicated than it needs to be.

    That is why we NEEDED Nelson 'Shady' Rodriguez and his "near encyclopedic' knowledge of MLS Salary rules.
     
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  18. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Like with many changes, it will benefit LA or NY teams. In this instance the first Icon will likely be Vela.
    And Seattle will be pissed because 6mo ago they would have used it on Lodeiro:rolleyes:
     
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  19. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does the paucity of candidates on the current roster mean anything?
     
  20. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Not sure I get what you are asking but It’s not valuable unless there is a sheltering of significant salary/spend from the budget.

    For example, if Herbers were old enough (he’s not) he doesn’t require TAM today…so it only saves us ~200k budget and still counts as a senior roster spot.

    Where as using it on Gimenez reduces his budget charge from 681k to 200k…essentially ‘maxing it out’…

    Gaston isn’t exactly ‘an Icon’, but Heitz should use it on him! Solid depth for a 200k budget hit, plus freeing the DP slot
     
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  21. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree. Would have some value so use it if that makes more sense than alternatives (trade, ?). Would still have pay him a goodly chunk of salary ( which hurts me) but helps budget process.
    My paucity question was prompted by Fire having (maybe) only 1 player who qualifies. Also, given mixed feelings about him, not generally considered an “ icon”.
     
  22. It means just about everything due to the lack of worthy candidates.
     
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  23. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Worthy is relative...
    If you want it to match the term 'Icon' we are hosed!
    If you want it to free up salary budget (and a DP tag!) then it's 'worthy'.
     
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  24. lurak

    lurak Member+

    Aug 24, 2007
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Gaston Gimenez as your first "Logan Pause Chicago Fire Icon"! I know that Logan never made that much in terms of salary, but that was the first Chicago Fire player that came to mind as an "Icon" when I saw the rule.

    I guess it could be humorous if the Fire used the Icon Rule on Shaqiri after the 2025 season.
     
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  25. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would be a major salary reduction for him. ( Icon rule requires <Max-TAM).
     

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