MLS Playoffs 2016: Conference Finals Round 2, 27 and 30 Nov.

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Ismitje, Nov 25, 2016.

  1. EvilTree

    EvilTree Member+

    Canadian S.C
    Canada
    Nov 20, 2007
    Frozen Swampland, Soviet Canuckistan
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    kinda silly going bonkers lifing a Conference winner trophy

     
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  2. KensingtonSC

    KensingtonSC Still Lazy After All These Years

    FC Vaduz / Philadelphia Union
    Jan 7, 2010
    Andalusia, PA
    Club:
    FC Vaduz
    "How dare you say that to my face!"
    "I'd say it behind your back, but my car's only got half a tank of gas!"

    "You'll be hearing from my attorney!"
    "Would that be the law offices of Haagen and Dazs?"
     
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  3. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I want City in for two reasons. 1) Their home games will be on earlier. 2) The difficulty they're going to have scheduling mid-week CCL games at Yankee Stadium will be hilarious.
     
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  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am not a lawyer but as I understand it labor laws like this are only enforced if either it happens very visibly or somebody threatens a lawsuit/informs the government this type of law is being broken. The government doesn't have time to look into every company on its own.

    If you look into the history of this rule in MLS you'll find that the international restrictions were much stricter in the inaugural year in 1996. Anyone who wasn't an American citizen was considered an international. That included green card holders, refugees, etc. One of the old-timers here (I can't remember who and I think the post was lost in the crash) has posted that MLS was told that offseason they had to change the rule to match federal labor law, which they did.

    Today MLS is big enough that trying to get around the law by counting Canadians as domestic would be immediately picked up by somebody and brought to the government's attention and/or the league would be sued. The USL is significantly smaller. Who with standing is going to bring a lawsuit? How much would that cost a 3rd division player?

    The interesting thing about today's announced change is that it applies to everyone. Its not nationality based. Anyone who is signed as a homegrown gets the designation. Now in reality 90%+ of the players signed are going to be Canadian or American but that doesn't stop a Brazilian (to pick an example) from being signed as a homegrown and being considered a domestic player if the situation presents itself.
     
  5. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    Geez, does sling die very often? That would kind of defeat the purpose of the service.
     
  6. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Doesn't SKC have some Hungarian kid registered as a homegrown?

    Also, is this rule going to be retroactive?
     
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  7. LimeTree

    LimeTree Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Ehh, not really. This was the first outage I've had in the 3-4 months I've been using...just extremely inopportune.
     
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  8. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    Is this because San Jose's go beyond merely annoying?
     
  9. Totoro

    Totoro Member+

    Dec 3, 2009
    Colorado
    So, my time-shifted soccer night continues...Thank you, Univision, for replays from multiple angles of Novaretti blocking a shot at point-blank range with his nuts.
     
  10. Tony in Quakeland

    Jan 27, 2003
    Pleasant Hill, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Had to record and watch the game. Just finished.

    Wow.

    That was awesome
     
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  11. The Franchise

    The Franchise Member+

    Nov 13, 2014
    Bakersfield, CA
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance?
     
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  12. GoodDead

    GoodDead Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2004
    Toronto Canada
    Club:
    Sporting Braga
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Amazing night. Soaked in Beer and Rain. French tears are the sweetest, be them from France or Quebec.
     
  13. DavemTFC

    DavemTFC Member

    Apr 4, 2012
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  14. nlsanand

    nlsanand Member+

    May 31, 2007
    Toronto
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    That game was ********ing lit! I may have a cold tomorrow but ******** that, 10 years of bullshit was just rewarded. Also, those extra seats were incredibly shaky, many people fell on the crush after our goals.
     
  15. Len

    Len Member+

    Club: Dallas Tornado
    Jan 18, 1999
    Everywhere and Nowhere.....I'm the wind, baby.
    Ohhhh, I remember. It was so bad, I even thought that completely eliminating the playoffs was not a bad idea...I mean, if the team's own fans don't care - what's the point?

    How times have changed.
     
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  16. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Look we can all agree that while all these fans are annoying, there is always San Jose fans.
     
  17. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    Go Sounders!!!!
     
  18. holiday

    holiday Member+

    Oct 16, 2007
    and by the way, i saw nothing to make me think giovinco should be getting an italy nats call-up.
     
  19. onefineesq

    onefineesq Member+

    Sep 16, 2003
    Laurel, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They might not BE in the final if Dempsey had been playing all along.
     
  20. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And this is what I see as the piece that makes it much more likely to pass muster in court. It has nothing to do with nationality, but with completing a program, so to speak. Not that someone couldn't sue, but it certainly is a stronger case than the "all Canadians" option. Considering you need to make the CSA, USSF and Players' Union happy, it is probably the best alternative.

    And I agree on the USL issue. It's never been one to catch enough attention of anyone to merit a suit.

    I'll also note that some Canadian really set on overturning the current rule talked to some Canadian lawyers who suggested that the current "Americans count as domestics" rule might be against Canadian law for similar reasons to the US situation. Surprisingly, they couldn't find any American lawyers willing to go on the record about the US legal reasoning.
     
  21. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In answer to the original question, of whether this was the biggest club game in Canadian soccer history, Colin Jose says yes, that he thinks it was the biggest, for either club or national team (so that includes Canada vs. France in the 1986 World Cup). Colin, who has lived in Canada for nearly 60 years and has written two books detailing the history of soccer in Canada, cites the intensity of the traditional Toronto-Montreal rivalry for making it so big.
     
  22. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    It wasn't too long ago that teams were guaranteed not to draw for a midweek match, playoffs or no...
     
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  23. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    I've got a crack legal team, and you can borrow either one of their services...


     
  24. SeminoleTom

    SeminoleTom Member

    Jan 31, 2011
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What a cool game last night.

    So do Canadians get soccer or what! The crowds at both venues for each league were phenomenal...
     
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  25. SeminoleTom

    SeminoleTom Member

    Jan 31, 2011
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just curious how do you find them annoying?
     

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