News: MLS owners approve fall-spring calendar and season format changes: Sources

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  1. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is, and Garber repeating it again today makes me think their studies have shown that they are going to have a problem in Northern markets. Its so clearly a misleading statement that MLS relying on it multiple times in the first 48 hours is a bit telling. That doesn't mean this move is wrong for the league, but its another indicator of how MLS could have done this better.
     
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  2. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well they do, but only in December and January.
     
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  3. Coolwhip

    Coolwhip Member

    Jun 27, 2010
    MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They will come to who pays them, point blank. Will the schedule change make the league enough money to make this the case? We will see, they obviously thing it will. As a fan in a place effected I think they might be underestimating the overall effect on the game in these places.

    What is the significance to "Brazil also plays a “winter” schedule, like Europe." I must be missing something in regards to this discussion
     
  4. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What are the other indicators, and how exactly could they have done this better? The league has been discussing this since before Covid.

    This decision should have been made a year or two ago so that they could role it out in 2026 post WC. If we're really being honest, this decision should have and could have been made and implemented in 2020.
     
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  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Despite the multiple claims that the league has been considering this for two years or since before COVID it was very telling that when we thought this vote was going to happen in May that they came out afterwards and literally said "we now need to talk to sponsors and the union about this change". Like, how do you even think you're anywhere close to a vote if you haven't engaged two of your three biggest constituencies on it yet? Even now the reports are not only are the players not yet on board, the negotiations are "teetering".

    They claim to have talked to fans about it. But nobody in Centennial 38 knows about any reach out from the Rapids or the league to Rapids fans about this change. Obviously we are a small fry, but if the biggest supporters group for one of the 5(?) teams that's going to be most impacted by this change isn't aware of any consultation with fans, it suggests whatever they did, at least in this market, was as superficial as it could be to check the box of "consulted fans".

    Will they get it done? Yes, of course. But that doesn't mean it couldn't have been done better. Especially when you compare it to the J-League making the exact same change at the exact same time.
     
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  6. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to Paul Tenorio, the league has been discussing this and other changes for many years. He's been embedded with MLS front offices while doing research for his book about the signing of Messi.

    It's also very difficult to believe that the league and its' teams haven't had casual discussions with their sponsors and partners about a potential schedule change in the future. In May they likely decided on a plan that could be formally presented to the other stakeholders. After those presentations and the feedback they received the owners decided to vote on it.

    Out of all of the things that are going to be discussed and implemented in the next CBA, the schedule change is likely not at the top of the list\.

    Now I can only speak for myself, but I've personally filled out at least 3 surveys over the past several years that had questions about a schedule change. I also filled out one from SUM. The fact that you, as a long time Rapids STH didn't receive any surveys pretty much proves my earlier point in the TV thread of the legacy clubs not doing enough (anything?) to drive engagement and interest in their markets. It could also be that MLS let teams decide who they distributed surveys too as well. It's possible that those teams with low STH bases decided to send the surveys to the single game ticket buyers. i can only speak to my own experience.
     
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  7. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    And people have unlimited money to spend on sporting events. :rolleyes:
     
  8. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Every MLS market has a NFL team? :rolleyes:
     
  9. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No offense, but you seem to be bending over backwards to support the league's methods (note, not the decision). I don't think "hey, the league could have done this better and still gotten to this point" is at all out of line here.

    First of all, the league should have been on the ball enough to get this done for 2026 as the World Cup was a natural impetus to make this change.

    Second, how was this announcement not made hand in hand with the leaders of the union showing that all the ducks were in a row and everyone was on board? Instead with hours the first reports about the player's opinion of the move is that negotiations with the union are "teetering".

    Third, even if their internal research showed that in the long run there would be minimal impact on Colorado, New England, Montreal, etc. anyone plugged into the fan base would know that the initial reaction from northern fanbases would be pretty harsh. Instead of coming out, acknowledging that, and addressing it directly they're spinning out a highly misleading statement about how really there's not much of a difference.

    Fourth the initial announcement included a statement from a league spokesperson (Rodriguez) that the league was still dedicated to the principle of no more than 3 home or road games in a row. Yet within hours the teams were putting out statements about northern teams expecting to take road trips in Nov, Dec, and Feb. How do you not present a very clear set of schedule guidelines as part of this announcement instead of sending out mixed messages?

    Again, none of this means the move isn't going to happen (well, the union negotiation might but they'll figure out how to get it done) and that it won't be ultimately successful. But that doesn't mean this has been well handled. Again, Japan made their announcement with 2.5 years to work with and only after getting everyone on board. And they're doing it to time with the World Cup. MLS is doing it with 1.5 years and still working on getting consensus. And they're missing the World Cup window by a year.
     
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  10. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I get it. I empathize with you. KSE have been shitty owners/stewards for the Rapids. Jay Sugarman et all have had their moments here in Philly of being bad. I've suffered through nearly 20 years of playoff less football as a Bill fan, and now nearly as much as a Sabres fan.

    Don't mistake me offering a different viewpoint and experience with defending the league. I'm as critical of the league as many of the posters here including yourself. MLS' owners are super conservative and are slower than a tortoise when it comes to making changes. So why does anyone suddenly think/believe that they took this vote to change on a whim?

    Who's saying the league hasn't spoken with the PA about this? The league office, or reps from the PA? PA's will always publically take the side of their members as a negotiation tactic.

    I agree with you that this decision should have been made earlier so that it could coincide with the World Cup. In fact I did in a previous response above. IMO this should have been done when they returned from the Covid break.
     
  11. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Understood, and its always good to get both sides out there.

    I don't think they did this on a whim. I do get the impression that they're arrogant enough that they think they can make arguably the largest decision in the league's history since Phil, Lamar, and Bob decided to save the league themselves in 2001 without needing everyone on board. That through sheer force of will and their money they can make this work without losing anything. Or at least, not losing anything they think is important. They're probably right on the latter, but they are going to lose something if this is how they plan to handle the change.
    I'm saying it because the only reporting we have from the player's side is that negotiations are "teetering". If the league wants a different story out there, about how they have talked to the PA and they're on board? Then get them on board and put that out along with the announcement. But they fumbled that chance. Like they're fumbling other parts of this decision.
     
  12. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Brazil mainly buys players from other South American leagues. They have no problem buying because players want to go play there because of the quality of that league and they also get a big fat salary increase. The talent that Brazil usually buys from Europe is other Brazilians that aren't playing in big Euro clubs so the timing of when they buy them doesn't matter much since they aren't playing in Europe to begin with.
     
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  13. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    This. Calendar change is good but won't make much of a difference if they still hang on to so many restrictions that keep the ambitious teams, those that are willing to spend, from bringing in players that put butts on seats and/or raise the quality of the league.
     
  14. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    This change is to drive media revenue, not gate. A TV subscription is a lot cheaper than a ticket to an NFL game. Viewers equate to sponsorships.

    Thx,

    Jay!
     
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  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6806105/2025/11/13/mls-calendar-change-2027-schedule/

    If that's the take that the league wants out there, or that gets out there and sticks, that's not a great look for the league for the next couple of years.
     
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  17. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Twin Cities allegedly has one. Votes are still being counted.
     
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  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most obvious “why not both?” memebait I’ve ever seen in my life
     
  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not quite…it’s 91% of the dates, not 91% of the matches. Weeks that now have 8 or 4 or 2 teams playing because it’s the playoffs are being replaced by weeks where all 30 play, and vice versa.
     
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  20. fortcollins

    fortcollins Member+

    St. Louis City SC
    Apr 12, 2006
    Fort Collins
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm raising this as a question, and don't have any special insight into this issue. There's an interesting part of the Apple TV contract that may be a piece of the schedule puzzle. Or not. I'm not sure how to read this move. The online report of the TV contract by MLS doesn't mention this, but it is mentioned in the reports on news and soccer blogs.

    The original MLS-Apple Plus contract was set to end in 2032, with Apple having an option to cancel beginning in 2027. The new contract with Apple TV changes the broadcasts to the TV contract, but the contract now ends in 2029, with Apple waiving its 2027 option to cancel. If Apple wanted the schedule change as part of the negotiations, it could explain the seeming abruptness and rough rollout by MLS. If so, it could bolster the points made upthread, that the MLS may be more interested in the TV and advertising revenue stream than counting the number of people in the seats, at least for now.

    No hot takes here, just this offered as a question. Thoughts?
     
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  21. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So one thing I've learned over the past few days is the MLS haters and europosers are the frauds I thought they where. They said MLS was a joke because it played in the summer. Now they are a joke because they'll be playing in the winter.
     
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  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You learned this over the last couple of days?

    Just now?

    Um, OK. :D:ROFLMAO:;)
     
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  23. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With the World Cup break this year, the Galaxy and the Rapids, the only two original teams to host a 4th of July game every year (other than COVID 2020) have likely played their last ever 4th of July games.
     
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  24. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    You’ll get to host the annual Black Friday game:

    Weather via Copilot:

    • 2015: Snowstorm dropped several inches, highs only in the 20s.
    • 2017–2018: Mild, sunny, highs in the 50s.
    • 2019: Snowy and cold, highs in the 30s.
    • 2020–2021: Dry and mild, highs near 60 °F.
    • 2022: Snowy, highs in the 30s.
    • 2023–2024: Mild, highs in the 50s, little to no snow.

      Thx,

      Jay!
     
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  25. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Look forward to the mental gymnastics they'll do if pro/rel ever happens, lol.
     

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