MLS Non-Sporting Discussion [R]

Discussion in 'Sporting Kansas City' started by NorthbankHighbury, Jan 19, 2011.

  1. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. drhoades00

    drhoades00 Member

    Aug 13, 2010
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    They aren't called the Chicago Dumpster Fire for no reason. I'm just afraid of what nicknames SKC will have now that we're emulating them results wise.

    Sputtering KC
    Sharting KC

    ?
     
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  3. kcscsupporter

    kcscsupporter Member+

    Apr 17, 2002
    D17
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    phew! now we can fire vermes and not have to worry about our brilliant owners hiring berhalter and trumpeting it as a big move and step forward. i did not want that limp bag of garbage on our sidelines. now ... can we get rid of our current angry, egotistical bag of garbage before i lose the last 10% of interest i have in this team?
     
  4. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now we'll just go get Josh Wolff and trumpet it as the return of a former Sporting Legend!
     
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  5. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Another dogmatic system coach
     
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  6. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Not necessarily a problem. Pep is a system guy. Kloop is a system guy, Arteta, etc and The Red Bull guys are all that way.
    The new new triend, Huertzeler isn't.
    Our problem isn't that Vermes is system guy, it's that he's landed on a system SKC cannot even potentially succeed with. It's a system that works when you are able to chose the high end players you need for your system.
    We've been trying to play a system that demands top level players in every spot with not a single elite level player.
     
  7. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    System coaches are successful ONLY when the get players that fit their system. Works great for elite clubs with limitless budget. No so great in all other situations.
     
  8. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Miami started more on the list in the game here (3 plus 1 off the bench), than KC currently has on their roster (1, Vargas).
     
  10. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  11. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, like I said, SKC domination.......
     
  12. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    As this is not skc land, we should note that the players on this list tend to play for managers who see value in what youth can bring, increased energy levels, optimism, being able to stay up past 10 without thinking, I wish i was in bed.
    Where we've seen the greatest pay off in that thinking is with national teams, which as we know are not really teams, but groups of people told to run a lot.
    There are MLS clubs managed by people who do not value youth, and in all instances chose experience.
    A 34 year old is always preferable to a 23 year old, because older and, perhaps, that manager feels his playing career was cut short when he aged and was undervalued.
    The problem with this thinking is that older players tend to be injured more often, can't go full at it as often, and really only offer advantages in the right system, a system that takes advantage of what they offer.
    the classic example of a manager who valued high quality older players in club play but got a lot out of them was Bruce, of course.
    Others haven't been as succcessful, but others haven't had the level of old talent.
    Managers such as Tata, of course, understand that you need both, high end experience and low age legs.
     
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  13. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Or, as it was stated in an MLS site piece today:
    "For all the sky-high soccer IQ and transcendent quality Messi, Luis Suárez, Sergio Busquets and Jordi Alba carry, they would need energy, work rate and youthful vibrance around them if this ambitious Miami project was to truly take off.

    “We knew we needed to bring in some legs,” Miami’s chief soccer officer and sporting director Chris Henderson explained to MLSsoccer.com last week. “That was one of our goals in recruiting the young players – how do they balance off each other? What attributes will they add to the rest of the group?"

    Managers who value only the experience side of things are making a mistake.
     
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  14. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    An interesting tidbit in this last week of the season: clubs are re-signing their good players for next season. This is the sort of thing that can happen when you have a coach and a Director of Soccer as two different people.
     
  15. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Counter point, there aren't any people out of contract that I'd 100% want re-signed right now.
    Counter point 2, for players under contract, they re-signed Davis early this season to a new contract so it's not like KC hasn't done it.
     
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  16. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So if the Whitecaps finish 8th in the West they won't get to host the play in game because BC Place is booked up and they won't be able to host so the 9th seed will get to host.

    I now want Vancouver to make MLS Cup and get to host because BC Place is booked MLS Cup weekend with the Eras Tour and I just want to watch it all burn.
     
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  17. drhoades00

    drhoades00 Member

    Aug 13, 2010
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Dang...is it called the Eras Tour because its lasting a whole one?
     
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  18. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate hate.
     
  19. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On WTF today, Wynalda mentioned the possibility of a northern based club relocating. Any thoughts?
     
  20. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #4595 Buzz Killington, Oct 30, 2024
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  21. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The gap between PV and the next most tenured coach in the league grows. It's now Schmetzer in 2016.

     
  23. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    So top three active, as of pre firing:

    :
    W-Lo-draw

    170-90-134 Curtain (1 supporters shield, 2x coach of the year)

    251-210-139 Vermes (1 MLS Cup, 3 USOC)

    150-70-102 Schmetzer (2 MLS Cups, 1 CCL cups) .


    No comment, really, just interesting.
     
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  24. lukeD

    lukeD Member+

    Jul 7, 2011
    Olathe
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Accountability exists in other organizations.

    I'd take Jim Curtain over PV any day of the week.
     
  25. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    On a points per game basis: Curtain has 1.63. Schmetzer has 1.71, Vermes has 1.49 over their careers,
    For 2024, Vermes came in a .91. Curtain was fired for 1.1. Schmetzer took heat for 1.68
     

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