MLS Local TV Markets & ESPN 2

Discussion in 'Business and Media' started by GIO17, Oct 22, 2004.

  1. GIO17

    GIO17 Member

    Nov 29, 1998
    The reason I am bringing this up is that I can't believe how each club isn't being show enough in their local markets or how the local markets are doing a wonderful job. ESPN 2 has to be added to this because if a certain club/or clubs are the match of the week then the local market won't have their broadcasters doing it.

    Here are the best and the worst of both East & West clubs.

    MLS East

    Chicago Fire

    FSN Chicago= 9
    Comcast Chicago= 3
    ESPN 2= 6
    All together 18

    Columbus Crew

    FSN Ohio= 4
    UPN 53= 5
    ESPN 2= 2
    All together 11

    DC United

    Comcast Mid Atlantic= 14
    ESPN 2 & ABC= 10
    All together 24

    MetroStars

    MSG Network= 19 (Some games FSN NY has Spanish Language Broadcast)
    FSN New York= 4 (Dosne't count for Spanish Language Broadcast)
    ESPN 2= 6
    All together 29

    New England Revolution

    FSN New England= 14
    WB 56 Boston= 10
    CN8 New England= 1
    ESPN 2= 5
    All 30 games

    MLS West

    Colorado Rapids

    FSN Rocky MTN= 8
    Alttitude= 3
    ESPN 2= 2
    All together 13

    FC Dallas 96

    FSN SouthWest= 5
    KFWD 52= 4
    ESPN 2= 4
    All together 13

    Kansas City Wizards

    Metro Sports= 5
    ESPN 2= 1
    all together 6

    Los Angeles Galaxy

    KCAL 9= 9
    KWHY 22 Spanish= 4
    ESPN 2= 5
    All together 18

    San Jose Earthquakes

    FSN Bay Area= 8
    ESPN 2/ABC= 7
    All together 15

    What does this mean? Either Fox sports World or HD Net bails out maybe 2 thru 5 clubs.

    Fox Sports World is the official broadcaster for the Galaxy with 9
    HD Net really bails out the Wizards with 11.

    With the MetroStars situation They do this with the Mets as well. When the clubs are on MSG Network. They do a simulcast on FSN New York in Spanish. So the Spanish Radio Announcers are also on TV. It doesn't happen alot with the Metro only a few times here and there. But once the Metro are on FSN NY by themsleves it's all English.

    Basically what this means is that the clubs showing less games on their local markets need to do a better job getting a better TV deal. The Wizards either need to talk to the Royals for their RSTN or FSN Mid West.

    Now talking about the two new clubs. Does Real Salt Lake get shown on FSN Rocky Mountain since the Rapids are going to be on Alttitude Sports Net in Denver now? And what about the Chivas USA side? Does LA Based KWHY 22 in Spanish show all their games now? or will FSN West & or West 2 show the matches now.

    But that's my little pet peave about the TV Deals for the clubs.

    We all know that the Metros, DC, & Revs are covered completly. or close to it.
     
  2. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank the lord that I dont live in KC. Wow that's got to suck.
     
  3. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Considering that ESPN2 only showed one Wizards game this year and Fox Sports World didn't show any, I'm not sure that all the fingers should be pointed at the Wizards.
     
  4. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can't really say that "FSW bails out" teams since they often (if not always) take a local feed and just add talking heads from a studio.
     
  5. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, but Brian - FSW loves soccer and ESPN hates soccer. That trumps everything. :)

    MLS teams make their own decisions about their local broadcasting efforts (or their parent companies do). Some teams have decided it is in their best interests to make as many games as possible available to their fans, and others see it as an expense they don't want to incur.

    I've heard the opinion expressed that there should be one broadcast produced of every MLS game, with announcers determined like the NFL does theirs. There'd be five or six "crews" of PBP/Color/Sideline/Producer who are sent to the game site to do the game. Now, there are some split feeds where one team will use most of the pictures from the primary feed and augment it with a couple cameras and its own announcers, but it's a pain and it usually causes problems production-wise. And while it's not a straight doubling of the cost to do two feeds, there is an additional expense. If the league just produced 180 (next year) telecasts of 180 games and used MLS announcers and called it the "MLS TV Network" or something, it might simplify that and ensure that every game was at least available on TV.

    Of course, it would mean fewer jobs for announcers, but it might be an idea worth pursuing.

    (Just as an aside, I've thought MLS should hire one guy in each MLS city to do official league webcasts of every game played in that city, the same way. No travel costs, cheap webcasting costs. Since it's seemingly much easier to get Spanish radio in MLS markets than English radio---on traditional radio outlets---this might be a way to make the audio of every game available. If MLS or SUM could do a soccer audio channel on Sirius or XM, that would be cool, too. I'd listen to that all the time in my car.)
     
  6. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's actually a decent idea. Right now, somewhere around 95% of the league's games are broadcast on standard TV somewhere, whether it be on ABC, ESPN2, or a local broadcast, with most of the remaining games on HDNET.

    And if you provide a single standard feed for each MLS game (or even every games that isn't on ABC/ESPN2), you obviously have to centralize the TV production, which is something that is currently left to individual teams. Now, I'm sure that AEG and Kraft would be happy to share the production cost with everyone, HSG isn't as committed to locally broadcasting their games (as you can see by the number of games that were broadcast for the Burn, Wizards, and Crew) and they probably wouldn't be too jazzed to have to increase the amount of money that they're currently spending on TV production meet their share.

    There's also problem is this issue of local sponsorship on local TV broadcasts. If sponsors would be willing to deal with not having their ad copy read on the air by the announcers, then I suppose that the appropriate graphics, specific to the relevant markets, could be inserted somewhere along the line.
     
  7. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Living in KC isn't the problem. It's being a Wizards fan outside of KC, that's the problem.

    It wouldn't be so stark if the espn2 and FSW game were evenly spread amongst the 10 teams.
     
  8. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Actually FSW showed the Wizards at Columbus game on June 12th after the Rapids at United broadcast on Comcast Mid-Atlantic was canceled due to contractual obligations to carry a rescheduled Balitmore Orioles game.
     
  9. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Yeah, but no one wants to see the Wizards.

    :D

    Sachin
     
  10. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't take credit for it. It was brought up to me by Kenny Stern, but it may or may not have been his idea.

    Yeah. And I could be wrong, but I thought I heard someone say that the Revs are the only ones that don't utilize Winner Communications for their TV production. It would have to be centralized. MLS has a guy in charge of television production, but in single-entity, this could be one thing that could be standardized for economy of scale, cost reduction, and quality control issues.

    Chicago and Columbus did a shared feed earlier this month, and I believe they read copy for both teams, and they combined some elements (like the LaSalle Bank Pregame Show also had whatever the Crew's sponsor was on it). Some of the stuff could probably be combined and some of the stuff could probably be inserted locally, you'd think.
     
  11. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Regular Season Games: 150

    Games not broadcast this season: 12
    MAY 01 not shown MLS 021 - Colorado at Kansas City
    MAY 15 not shown MLS 030 - Kansas City at DC United
    MAY 29 not shown MLS 041 - Colorado at Chicago
    JUN 05 not shown MLS 086 - Kansas City at Los Angeles
    JUN 12 not shown MLS 050 - Colorado at DC United (CSN-DC/FSW bounced by Orioles game)
    JUN 26 not shown MLS 061 - Colorado at Columbus
    AUG 14 not shown MLS 143 - Colorado at Chicago
    SEP 01 not shown MLS 093 - Kansas City at Chicago
    SEP 04 not shown MLS 115 - DC United at Chicago
    SEP 08 not shown MLS 120 - Columbus at San Jose
    SEP 10 not shown MLS 123 - Kansas City at Colorado
    SEP 25 not shown MLS 132 - Colorado at Kansas City

    What really sucks is that FSW showed the Mauricio Cienfuegos Farewell Match that was played on June 5th before KC@LA countless times over the two weeks following the game.
     
  12. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Oh... NOW I understand.

    ESPN doesn't hate soccer, they just hate the Wizards.


    :D

    Sachin
     
  13. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    2004 MLS Broadcast Log

    Code:
    
    
    
    APR 03 ABC         1:2     MLS 001 - San Jose at DC United
    APR 03 FSNY        3:1     MLS 002 - MetroStars at Columbus
    APR 03 HDNet       3:1     MLS 002 - MetroStars at Columbus
    APR 03 FSC         0:0     MLS 003 - Chicago at Kansas City
    APR 03 FSRM        1:1     MLS 004 - Colorado at Dallas
    APR 03 FSW         2:3     MLS 005 - New England at Los Angeles
    APR 03 FSNE        2:3     MLS 005 - New England at Los Angeles
    APR 03 KWHY-22     2:3     MLS 005 - New England at Los Angeles (Spanish)
    
    APR 10 espn2       0:0     MLS 006 - Chicago at San Jose
    APR 10 CSN-DC      1:1     MLS 007 - DC United at Los Angeles
    APR 10 HDNet       1:1     MLS 007 - DC United at Los Angeles
    APR 10 FSW         1:1     MLS 007 - DC United at Los Angeles
    
    APR 14 TeleTico    0:2     CCC - Chicago (USA) at CD Saprissa (CRC) (Spanish)
    APR 17 espn2       2:3     MLS 008 - DC United at MetroStars
    APR 17 FSW         3:1     MLS 009 - San Jose at New England
    APR 17 FSBA        3:1     MLS 009 - San Jose at New England
    APR 17 WLVI-56     3:1     MLS 009 - San Jose at New England
    APR 17 WWHO-53     0:1     MLS 010 - Columbus at Kansas City
    APR 17 CSN-CHI     2:0     MLS 011 - Dallas at Chicago
    APR 17 HDNet       1:1     MLS 012 - Colorado at Los Angeles
    APR 17 FSRM        1:1     MLS 012 - Colorado at Los Angeles
    APR 17 KCAL-9      1:1     MLS 012 - Colorado at Los Angeles
    
    APR 24 espn2       1:0     MLS 013 - Chicago Fire at DC United
    APR 24 MetroSports 0:1     MLS 014 - Kansas City at Dallas
    APR 24 FSW         0:1     MLS 015 - San Jose at Colorado
    APR 24 FSBA        0:1     MLS 015 - San Jose at Colorado
    APR 24 WWHO-53     0:2     MLS 016 - Columbus at Los Angeles
    APR 24 HDNet       0:2     MLS 016 - Columbus at Los Angeles
    APR 25 MSG         1:2     MLS 017 - New England at MetroStars
    APR 25 FSNE        1:2     MLS 017 - New England at MetroStars
    
    MAY 01 espn2       1:1     MLS 018 - DC United at San Jose
    MAY 01 FSSW        0:0     MLS 019 - Dallas at Columbus 
    MAY 01 HDNet       0:0     MLS 019 - Dallas at Columbus
    MAY 01 KCAL-9      1:2     MLS 020 - Los Angeles at New England (-)
    MAY 01 WLVI-56     1:2     MLS 020 - Los Angeles at New England
    MAY 01 FSW         1:2     MLS 020 - Los Angeles at New England
    MAY 01 not shown   0:2     MLS 021 - Colorado at Kansas City
    MAY 01 MSG         0:3     MLS 022 - MetroStars at Chicago
    
    MAY 07 FSRM        0:0     MLS 023 - New England at Colorado
    MAY 07 CN8(NE)     0:0     MLS 023 - New England at Colorado
    MAY 08 espn2       3:1     MLS 024 - Los Angeles at Dallas
    MAY 08 CSN-DC      1:1     MLS 025 - Columbus at DC United
    MAY 08 FSO         1:1     MLS 025 - Columbus at DC United
    MAY 08 FSW         1:1     MLS 025 - Columbus at DC United
    MAY 08 FSC         2:2     MLS 026 - Chicago at Kansas City
    MAY 08 MSG         5:5     MLS 027 - MetroStars at San Jose
    MAY 08 HDNet       5:5     MLS 027 - MetroStars at San Jose
    
    MAY 15 espn2       0:1     MLS 028 - New England at Columbus
    MAY 15 MSG         1:1     MLS 029 - Chicago at MetroStars
    MAY 15 FSW         1:1     MLS 029 - Chicago at MetroStars
    MAY 15 CSN-CHI     1:1     MLS 029 - Chicago at MetroStars
    MAY 15 not shown   0:1     MLS 030 - Kansas City at DC United
    MAY 15 FSBA        2:1     MLS 031 - San Jose at Dallas
    MAY 15 HDNet       2:1     MLS 031 - San Jose at Dallas
    MAY 15 FSRM        1:1     MLS 032 - Colorado at Los Angeles
    
    MAY 19 CSN-DC      4:2     MLS 033 - Los Angeles at DC United
    MAY 19 HDNet       4:2     MLS 033 - Los Angeles at DC United
    MAY 19 KWHY-22     4:2     MLS 033 - Los Angeles at DC United (Spanish)
    MAY 22 espn2       1:1     MLS 034 - MetroStars at New England
    MAY 22 KFWD-52     0:2     MLS 035 - Dallas at Kansas City
    MAY 22 CSN-DC      1:2     MLS 036 - DC United at Colorado
    MAY 22 FSW         2:4     MLS 037 - Los Angeles at San Jose
    MAY 22 HDNet       2:4     MLS 037 - Los Angeles at San Jose
    MAY 22 KCAL-9      2:4     MLS 037 - Los Angeles at San Jose
    MAY 23 espn2       3:1     MLS 038 - Columbus at Chicago
    
    MAY 29 FSW         1:0     MLS 039 - DC United at New England
    MAY 29 CSN-DC      1:0     MLS 039 - DC United at New England
    MAY 29 WLVI-56     1:0     MLS 039 - DC United at New England
    MAY 29 FSBA        0:1     MLS 040 - San Jose at Columbus
    MAY 29 HDNet       0:1     MLS 040 - San Jose at Columbus
    MAY 29 not shown   0:1     MLS 041 - Colorado at Chicago
    MAY 29 espn2       1:4     MLS 042 - Dallas at Los Angeles
    MAY 30 MSG         0:1     MLS 043 - Kansas City at MetroStars
    MAY 30 MetroSports 0:1     MLS 043 - Kansas City at MetroStars
    
    JUN 02 FSNE        3:2     MLS 044 - New England at Kansas City
    JUN 05 espn2       0:3     MLS 045 - DC United at Chicago
    JUN 05 FSW         2:0     MLS 047 - Dallas at MetroStars
    JUN 05 FSSW        2:0     MLS 047 - Dallas at MetroStars
    JUN 05 MSG         2:0     MLS 047 - Dallas at MetroStars
    JUN 05 not shown   2:1     MLS 086 - Kansas City at Los Angeles
    JUN 05 FSW         ------- Mauricio Cienfuegos Farewell Match
    JUN 06 FSNE        2:1     MLS 046 - Columbus at New England
    
    JUN 09 HDNet       1:0     MLS 048 - Kansas City at Colorado
    JUN 12 espn2       2:3     MLS 049 - Chicago at Los Angeles
    JUN 12 not shown   0:0     MLS 050 - Colorado at DC United
    JUN 12 FSW         2:2     MLS 051 - Kansas City at Columbus
    JUN 12 MetroSports 2:2     MLS 051 - Kansas City at Columbus
    JUN 12 FSNE        1:3     MLS 052 - New England at Dallas
    JUN 12 HDNet       1:3     MLS 053 - MetroStars at San Jose
    JUN 12 MSG         1:3     MLS 053 - MetroStars at San Jose
    
    JUN 19 espn2       1:2     MLS 054 - Los Angeles at MetroStars
    JUN 19 CSN-DC      1:3     MLS 055 - Columbus at DC United
    JUN 19 WWHO-53     1:3     MLS 055 - Columbus at DC United
    JUN 19 WLVI-56     3:1     MLS 056 - Kansas City at New England
    JUN 19 HDNet       3:1     MLS 056 - Kansas City at New England
    JUN 19 FSW         1:1     MLS 057 - San Jose at Chicago
    JUN 19 FSBA        1:1     MLS 057 - San Jose at Chicago
    JUN 19 FSRM        1:1     MLS 058 - Dallas at Colorado
    
    JUN 23 HDNet       3:0     MLS 059 - MetroStars at Los Angeles
    JUN 23 FSNY        3:0     MLS 059 - MetroStars at Los Angeles
    JUN 26 espn2       1:1     MLS 060 - DC United at Dallas
    JUN 26 not shown   2:1     MLS 061 - Colorado at Columbus
    JUN 26 WLVI-56     1:2     MLS 062 - MetroStars at New England
    JUN 26 FSW         1:2     MLS 062 - MetroStars at New England
    JUN 26 MSG         1:1     MLS 062 - MetroStars at New England
    JUN 26 HDNet       1:1     MLS 063 - Kansas City at San Jose
    JUN 27 KCAL-9      1:0     MLS 064 - Los Angeles at Chicago
    
    JUN 30 HDNet       3:2     MLS 065 - Colorado at MetroStars
    JUN 30 FSNY        3:2     MLS 065 - Colorado at MetroStars
    JUL 03 espn2       2:6     MLS 066 - MetroStars at DC United
    JUL 03 FSW         0:2     MLS 067 - Chicago at Columbus
    JUL 03 FSC         0:2     MLS 067 - Chicago at Columbus
    JUL 03 HDNet       1:5     MLS 068 - Dallas at Kansas City
    JUL 03 KFWD-52     1:5     MLS 068 - Dallas at Kansas City
    JUL 04 FSNE        0:1     MLS 069 - New England at Colorado
    JUL 04 HDNet       0:1     MLS 069 - New England at Colorado
    JUL 04 FSBA        1:2     MLS 070 - San Jose at Los Angeles
    JUL 04 KWHY-22     1:2     MLS 070 - San Jose at Los Angeles (Spanish)
    
    JUL 07 HDNet       2:1     MLS 071 - Dallas at San Jose
    JUL 07 FSSW        2:1     MLS 071 - Dallas at San Jose
    JUL 10 espn2       0:2     MLS 072 - San Jose at MetroStars
    JUL 10 WWHO-53     0:0     MLS 073 - Columbus at Dallas
    JUL 10 HDNet       0:1     MLS 074 - DC United at Kansas City
    JUL 10 CSN-DC      0:1     MLS 074 - DC United at Kansas City
    JUL 10 FSW         0:2     MLS 076 - Colorado at Los Angeles
    JUL 10 FSRM        0:2     MLS 076 - Colorado at Los Angeles
    JUL 11 FSC         1:1     MLS 075 - New England at Chicago
    JUL 11 WLVI-56     1:1     MLS 075 - New England at Chicago
    
    JUL 14 FSC         1:3     MLS 077 - Chicago at New England
    JUL 14 KWHY-22     0:0     MLS 078 - Los Angeles at Colorado (Spanish)
    JUL 17 espn2       3:1     MLS 079 - Colorado at San Jose
    JUL 17 CSN-DC      1:1     MLS 081 - Los Angeles at DC United
    JUL 17 KCAL-9      1:1     MLS 081 - Los Angeles at DC United
    JUL 17 FSW         1:1     MLS 081 - Los Angeles at DC United
    JUL 17 WLVI-56     1:1     MLS 082 - New England at Columbus
    JUL 17 HDNet       1:0     MLS 083 - Kansas City at Dallas
    JUL 17 MSG         1:1     MLS 089 - MetroStars at Chicago
    
    JUL 24 FSC         1:2     MLS 080 - Chicago at MetroStars
    JUL 24 FSNY        1:2     MLS 080 - Chicago at MetroStars
    JUL 24 CSN-DC      1:5     MLS 088 - DC United at Dallas
    JUL 24 espn2       0:0     MLS 090 - Columbus at Colorado
    JUL 24 FSW         2:2     MLS 110 - Los Angeles at Kansas City
    JUL 24 KWHY-22     2:2     MLS 110 - Los Angeles at Kansas City (Spanish)
    JUL 24 FSNE        2:2     MLS 119 - New England at San Jose
    
    JUL 28 HDNet       1:2     MLS 084 - Dallas at Columbus
    JUL 28 FSSW        1:2     MLS 084 - Dallas at Columbus
    JUL 28 FSNY        2:1     MLS 085 - MetroStars at Kansas City
    JUL 28 CSN-CHI             MLS 099 - Chicago at Colorado
    JUL 31 ABC         3:2     MLS ASG - MLS All-Star Game
    
    AUG 07 espn2       2:2     MLS 091 - Columbus at New England
    AUG 07 FSRM        0:1     MLS 092 - Colorado at Dallas
    AUG 07 FSW         0:2     MLS 094 - DC United at San Jose
    AUG 07 HDNet       0:2     MLS 094 - DC United at San Jose
    AUG 07 CSN-DC      0:2     MLS 094 - DC United at San Jose
    AUG 08 MSG         0:3     MLS 095 - Los Angeles at MetroStars
    AUG 08 KCAL-9              MLS 095 - Los Angeles at MetroStars
    
    AUG 11 CSN-DC      1:3     MLS 096 - Colorado at DC United
    AUG 11 FSNE        3:0     MLS 097 - New England at Dallas
    AUG 11 FSBA        1:2     MLS 104 - San Jose at Chicago
    AUG 14 espn2       2:0     MLS 098 - San Jose at Kansas City
    AUG 14 FSW         2:2     MLS 100 - New England at DC United
    AUG 14 WLVI-56     2:2     MLS 100 - New England at DC United
    AUG 14 WWHO-53     0:0     MLS 101 - Columbus at Los Angeles
    AUG 14 not shown   3:0     MLS 143 - Colorado at Chicago
    AUG 15 MSG         1:0     MLS 102 - Dallas at MetroStars
    AUG 15 FSSW        1:0     MLS 102 - Dallas at MetroStars
    
    AUG 18 HDNet       1:2     MLS 103 - Kansas City at Columbus
    AUG 21 FSO         2:2     MLS 105 - DC United at Columbus
    AUG 21 WLVI-56     2:1     MLS 106 - Kansas City at New England
    AUG 21 FSW         2:1     MLS 106 - Kansas City at New England
    AUG 21 HDNet       0:1     MLS 107 - MetroStars at Colorado
    AUG 21 FSRM        0:1     MLS 107 - MetroStars at Colorado
    AUG 21 MSG         0:1     MLS 107 - MetroStars at Colorado
    AUG 21 KFWD-52     0:3     MLS 108 - Dallas at San Jose
    AUG 21 espn2       1:1     MLS 109 - Chicago at Los Angeles
    
    AUG 28 espn2       0:0     MLS 111 - DC United at New England
    AUG 28 FSC                 MLS 112 - Chicago at Dallas
    AUG 28 FSW                 MLS 112 - Chicago at Dallas
    AUG 28 HDNet       0:0     MLS 113 - Colorado at San Jose
    AUG 29 WWHO-53             MLS 114 - Columbus at MetroStars
    
    SEP 01 not shown           MLS 093 - Kansas City at Chicago
    SEP 04 espn2               MLS 087 - San Jose at New England
    SEP 04 not shown           MLS 115 - DC United at Chicago
    SEP 04 FSW                 MLS 116 - Los Angeles at Columbus
    SEP 04 KCAL-9              MLS 116 - Los Angeles at Columbus
    SEP 04 MSG                 MLS 117 - MetroStars at Kansas City
    SEP 04 Altitude            MLS 118 - Dallas at Colorado
    
    SEP 08 not shown           MLS 120 - Columbus at San Jose
    SEP 10 not shown           MLS 123 - Kansas City at Colorado
    SEP 11 HDNet               MLS 121 - New England at MetroStars
    SEP 11 MSG                 MLS 121 - New England at MetroStars
    SEP 11 FSNE                MLS 121 - New England at MetroStars
    SEP 11 espn2               MLS 122 - Dallas at DC United
    SEP 11 FSW                 MLS 124 - San Jose at Los Angeles
    SEP 11 FSBA                MLS 124 - San Jose at Los Angeles
    
    SEP 18 FSW                 MLS 126 - Chicago at DC United
    SEP 18 CSN-DC              MLS 126 - Chicago at DC United
    SEP 18 CSN-CHI             MLS 126 - Chicago at DC United
    SEP 18 WLVI-56             MLS 127 - Colorado at New England
    SEP 18 MSG                 MLS 128 - MetroStars at Columbus
    SEP 18 KCAL-9              MLS 129 - Los Angeles at Dallas
    SEP 18 HDNet               MLS 130 - San Jose at Kansas City
    
    SEP 22 GolTV               USOC Final - Chicago at Kansas City
    SEP 25 CSN-DC              MLS 131 - DC United at Columbus
    SEP 25 not shown           MLS 132 - Colorado at Kansas City
    SEP 25 MSG                 MLS 133 - MetroStars at Dallas
    SEP 25 FSNE                MLS 134 - New England at Chicago
    SEP 25 HDNet               MLS 135 - Los Angeles at San Jose
    SEP 25 FSW                 MLS 135 - Los Angeles at San Jose
    SEP 25 KCAL-9              MLS 135 - Los Angeles at San Jose
    
    OCT 02 FSO                 MLS 136 - Chicago at Columbus
    OCT 02 FSC                 MLS 136 - Chicago at Columbus
    OCT 02 HDNet               MLS 137 - Dallas at New England
    OCT 02 FSNE                MLS 137 - Dallas at New England
    OCT 02 FSW                 MLS 137 - Dallas at New England
    OCT 02 CSN-DC              MLS 138 - DC United at MetroStars
    OCT 02 MSG                 MLS 138 - DC United at MetroStars
    OCT 02 Altitude            MLS 139 - San Jose at Colorado
    OCT 02 MetroSports         MLS 140 - Kansas City at Los Angeles
    
    OCT 06 HDNet               MLS 125 - Columbus at Chicago
    OCT 06 FSO                 MLS 125 - Columbus at Chicago
    OCT 09 MSG                 MLS 141 - Columbus at MetroStars
    OCT 09 HDNet               MLS 141 - Columbus at MetroStars
    OCT 09 FSNE                MLS 142 - New England at DC United
    OCT 09 FSW                 MLS 142 - New England at DC United
    OCT 09 CSN-DC              MLS 142 - New England at DC United
    OCT 09 KFWD-52             MLS 144 - Dallas at Los Angeles
    OCT 09 MetroSports         MLS 145 - Kansas City at San Jose
    OCT 11 FSW                 2004 MLS HOF Game - Chicago vs MetroStars
    
    OCT 16 FSW                 MLS 146 - Chicago at New England
    OCT 16 FSC                 MLS 146 - Chicago at New England
    OCT 16 FSNE                MLS 146 - Chicago at New England
    OCT 16 KCAL-9              MLS 147 - Los Angeles at Kansas City
    OCT 16 HDNet               MLS 148 - San Jose at Dallas
    OCT 16 WWHO-53             MLS 149 - Columbus at Colorado
    OCT 16 Altitude            MLS 149 - Columbus at Colorado
    OCT 17 espn2               MLS 150 - MetroStars at DC United
    
     
  14. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good stuff, Andy.

    So, since I'm lazy, what was the final tally of how many of the 150 games were available on MLS Direct Kick? Enough so that people who complained should STFU?
     
  15. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Not all the broadcasts were available via DirectKick and the three flavors of DirectKick (DirecTV, DISH, and iNDemand) differed slightly. None of the Altitude broadcasts made it to DirecTV - probably due to Altitude's contract with DISH Network - but they were on iNDemand.

    But every game that was broadcast somewhere was available on at least some form of the DirectKick package. The broadcasts not available were redundant broadcasts.

    This list isn't guaranteed to be complete, either. I'm sure I missed some redundant non-DirectKick regional and over-the-air broadcasts.

    As noted before, I think there were 4 Fox Sports New York spanish feeds of MSG Network games. Additionally Fox Sports Cincinatti carried most of the Fox Sports Ohio games. And Fox Sports en Espanol - I believe - carried all of the games listed as Fox Sports World, too.

    I think that at least one other CCC game featuring an MLS side was broadcast in-market (San Jose or Chicago), but I'm not entirely sure.
     
  16. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the only CCC game was the Saprissa vs. Chicago game, and only on Comcast local access in Chicago. I watched it and did a PBP AIM chat on it.

    But it appears as though, for the most part, well over 100 of the 150 games were available on Direct Kick.

    One thing - CSN Chicago didn't technically exist until October 1. Those Fire games listed as CSN-Chicago were carried on Comcast cable, but on differing local access channels depending on where you lived (and some areas couldn't get them at all). Just semantics.

    Edit: Off that list, the leaders in games shown:

    HDNet..............33
    Fox Sports World...28
    ESPN2..............24
    MSG................18
    CSN DC.............15
    Fox Sports NE......13
    KCAL-TV............10
    WLVI-TV............10
    FSN Chicago.........9
    FS Rocky Mountain...9
    FS Bay Area.........8
    WWHO-TV.............7
    FS New York.........5
    FS Southwest........5
    KWHY-TV.............5
    MetroSports.........5
    Comcast Chicago.....4
    FSN Ohio............4
    KFWD-TV.............4
    Altitude............3
    ABC.................2
    CN8 NE..............1
     
  17. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have wondered why MLS didn't do the central broadcasting thing. Maybe not announcers, but crews and equipment. Especially as they expand into the promotion of events and online broadcasting of press conferences and such, I wonder why they don't just have a broadcasting department that handles everything.

    they probably have a small crew, but you think doing it yourself owuld - in the long run - be cheaper than hiring WinnerCom.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I agree that it would make things more seamless.
     
  18. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Super Secret decoder

    National:
    ABC/espn2
    FSW/FSE - Fox Sports World/Fox Sports en Espanol
    HDNet - HD Network
    GolTV

    Chicago Fire
    CSN-CHI - Comcast local cable feed (note: Comcast SportsNet Chicago coming soon)
    FSC - Fox Sports Net - Chicago
    TeleTico - Costa Rican feed rebroadcast on local Chicago cable

    Colorado Rapids
    Altitude - Kroenke Sports owned sports network
    FSRM - Fox Sports Net - Rocky Mountain

    Columbus Crew
    FSO - Fox Sports Net - Ohio (also seen on Fox Sports Net - Cincinatti)
    WWHO-53 - UPN Network

    Dallas Burn
    KFWD-52 - independent station
    FSSW - Fox Sports Net - Southwest

    DC United
    CSN-DC - Comcast SportsNet Mid-Atlantic

    Kansas City Wizards
    MetroSports - KC MetroSports

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    KCAL-9 - Independent station
    KWHY-22 - Canal 22 (Spanish) (Telemundo, I think)

    MetroStars
    FSNY - Fox Sports Net - New York
    MSG - Madison Square Garden Network

    New England Revolution
    CN8 - local cable News Channel 8
    FSNE - Fox Sports Net - New England
    WLVI-56 - WB Network

    San Jose Earthquakes
    FSBA - Fox Sports Net - Bay Area
     
  19. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because it's much more cost-efficient to hire people in Kansas City who do sports production all the time (freelancers) if they're available than drop-shipping them into a market.

    Most MLS teams will only travel their announcers and a producer, with the rest of the people who push the buttons mostly coming from a pool of people who do freelance broadcast production for a living. Things were a little stretched in New England this past weekend because FOX gobbled up a lot of the production folks to augment their coverage of the ALCS and the Patriots/Seahawks game as well as the Revs' feed and the Chicago feed of that MLS game. Luckily, in a market as large as NY, LA, Chicago or Boston, you can find people, but other markets don't have as large a pool to draw from.

    Basically, the people behind the scenes live in one area and most make a living taking independent contractor checks from networks and teams who hire them for the day to work on a production. Winnercom may cut the checks (I don't know if they do or not), but they're not employees of Winnercom. I think Winnercom supplies the producers and the general way of doing things. I think.
     
  20. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure this is accurate. The HDNet-only games did not appear in the Direct Kick package as far as I can tell. Only if a non-HD source was also broadcasting the game did they get carried on the Direck Kick package (Or at least the InDemand version).
     
  21. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    well over

    I know, but you posted before I did. :p

    The other thing is that folks with DirecTV or DISH Network who pay the $10/month for the RSN SportsPack got the ability to see additional broadcasts. The only blacked-out games were those redundant RSN feeds that weren't selected for the DirectKick package. (e.g. if CSN-DC and MSG both carried a MetroStars/DC United game, DirectKick would show one of the two broadcasts, but the other would be blacked out) - however all MLS rebroadcasts were NOT blacked out. MSG, FSNY, CSN, FSC, FSNE all typically would use MLS games as filler during the week, allowing folks to see virtually every game with only one TV.
     
  22. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not if you're a Rapids fan (Like myself). Due to KSE's decision not to broadcast away games there was only about 20 games of the Rapids schedule on Direct Kick. This does not count any HDNet exclusive games as they didn't appear on the InDemand version of Direct Kick. 2 out of 3 isn't bad, but it's a step down from previous seasons.
     
  23. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Oops. Yeah, you're right.
     
  24. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I believe it's mostly Game Creek Video and SUM any more. I'm not sure what the relationship between Game Creek Video and Winnercom is, but they're both involved somehow.
     
  25. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, you guys and Wizards fans have a legit beef, but it's with your local team, not so much the league or the PPV package.

    I was directing that towards the people who paid basically $.69 a game and sat in Terre Haute and bitched because they couldn't see Galaxy/Revs on some random Wednesday just because they wanted something to watch and then bitched about "Why did I pay my money for Direct Kick, then?"

    Those people need to STFU.
     

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