News: MLS invokes Force Majeure

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  1. boomshea

    boomshea Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Aug 22, 2018
    Dayton, OH
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  2. LaMacchia

    LaMacchia Member+

    Jul 12, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like 2021 may not be starting on time...
     
  3. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, there's no way to spin this positively. But from a fan's perspective, we were unlikely to be able to attend games at 100% capacity until spring or maybe summer. And from a Crew fan's perspective, well, we only assumed we'd be playing a handful of home games before July, anyway.

    The MLSPA's response to this will be very telling.
     
  4. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Depends on what they will be negotiating.
     
  5. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The PA told them not to do this and warned of dire consequences.

    Its not like the owners are stumbling blindly into a work stoppage. They knew exactly what the deal was and have obviously accepted it.

    This is just not good. Both sides are dug in and ready to fight.

    Dammit.
     
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  6. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd be lying if I said I had the slightest idea what was going on with this, or what it means going forward. There's been enough crap happening in the last nine months; keeping up the the MLS CBA hasn't been high on my list of priorities.
     
  7. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you'd like the thumbnail, its simple: the owners want the players to share the pain.

    The owners have lost a fortune. Garber says a billion dollars and he may not to that far off.

    So they want salary concessions. Big ones. 20% 30%. We don't know the number.

    But its a lot and the players are not.inclined to go along.
     
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  8. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I suppose this could guarantee that the new stadium's first game won't be in front of partial attendance.

    In 2020, I think we all need any shred of positive news amplified, right?
     
  9. boomshea

    boomshea Member

    Columbus Crew
    United States
    Aug 22, 2018
    Dayton, OH
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Plus, this is on top of the concessions the players gave when MLS owners renegotiated the approved, but not finalized CBA (The one negotiated in Jan 2020), for MLS Is Back in June.
     
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  10. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Didn't MLB have basically the same problem this/last season?

    I have to agree with the owners on this one. MLS isn't exactly a cash cow to begin with. I don't see how they can continue to pay all the salary when they're losing the overwhelming majority of the revenue.
     
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  11. OzweegoSC

    OzweegoSC Member

    Dec 10, 2007
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  12. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, except that we don't know what the owners are asking for at this point. Sounds like they'll present something to players soon, and the sides will have 30 days to come to an agreement. If that doesn't happen, the owners could terminate the CBA that was agreed to earlier this year. They might not, but they could.

    I'm no expert in this area, by any means. But I would imagine the players might be hesitant to want to agree to something that runs too many years. 2020 was a disaster. And 2021 will be financially tainted, as well. But 2022, 2023? The agreement they came to a year ago ran through January 2025.

    Here's hoping both sides see the overall shittiness of the situation and see what they each have to lose by failing to come to an agreement.
     
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  13. KHT_Crew

    KHT_Crew Member+

    Mar 29, 2003
    Queen City, OH
    And I think this was a sticking point in earlier negotiations... I believe that it was MLS (but maybe it was MLB) that was seeking a pay cut from the players to help ease the COVID revenue pains but the wording on the owners' proposal made the cuts a part of the permanent agreement for the full term of the CBA instead of a temporary reduction that would be lifted when COVID issues were resolved.
     
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  14. MLSinSTL

    MLSinSTL Member+

    Columbus Crew
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    Mar 20, 2009
    Ohio - near a city
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    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I'm the PA, I don't aggree to anything beyond 2022 or the deal must be contingent upon the new media rights which expire at the end of 2022. If we give now, you give it back and then some when the new media deal comes into play in 2023.
     
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  15. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, I've never collectively bargained for anything, but it would seem to me that if the pandemic is the major monkeywrench into everything that's happening, it wouldn't make sense for either side to sign a deal for more than one year. Whatever happens in 2021 is just a "let's get through this" deal, and then once things normalize, get back to business.
     
  16. LaMacchia

    LaMacchia Member+

    Jul 12, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope that both sides remember all of the low-level franchise and head office employees that lost their jobs due to Covid and keep in mind there is more on the table than player salaries.

    That said, MLS isn't like MLB/NFL where contract negotiations are a battle between millionaires and billionaires. The majority of players don't have much salary to give up.
     
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  17. LaMacchia

    LaMacchia Member+

    Jul 12, 2008
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    United States
    And the adidas deal in 2024.
     
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  18. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's true, but without doing the research, I would guess that MLS gets a smaller percentage of revenue from TV contracts than any of the other North American leagues. Thus, they're more dependent on gate receipts -- which aren't there. You can't pay all the money out if there isn't money coming in.

    So it's either reduce payroll, or we have to wait until the pandemic is over to start playing matches again. It's certainly true that most MLS-ers aren't exactly breaking the bank, but it's still probably better to get paid than to not get paid.
     
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  19. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And players for most European clubs gave back part of their salaries to help their clubs in this crisis. I just hope MLS is not using the same person/firm that came up with the changes to minor league baseball that MLB imposed.
     
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  20. 110toyourleft

    110toyourleft Member+

    Jan 27, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have to think this will make it difficult to sign any players. "We'd love to have you play for us at 70% of the salary we're offering (TBD)."
     
  21. crew2112

    crew2112 Member+

    Jan 25, 2008
    Dayton, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    This will effect the attractiveness of MLS for the next year or two. Does Lucas Zelarayan take a 30% cut when he could go back to Mexico and make a lot more? Does Gonzalo Higuain take a cut when options exist in Europe? I pray this doesn’t lead to the days of hoping Chad McCarty can stick with his man. Crap soccer is more identifiable these days. It’s a messy situation for sure.
     
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  22. WhiteHartShame

    WhiteHartShame Member+

    Nov 16, 2008
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the surface it appears MLS, and the investor/operators, have a legitimate issue, right? Their finances have been wrecked by the pandemic. How can they pay the players anywhere near full salaries and survive, with the loses from 2020 and the prospect of the same conditions for half of the 2021 season? But then you remember you are dealing with garber and MLS. What financial information will be released? How accurate is the information released? What information won't be released? This could get really bad, really quick. The players probably do need to take a pay cut for the survival of the league. the typical MLS/SUM lack of transparency will probably make this situation drag out for a really long time.
     
  23. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except everyone in Mexico and Europe is in the same boat (though with better TV monies).
     
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  24. KHT_Crew

    KHT_Crew Member+

    Mar 29, 2003
    Queen City, OH
    Can the league afford to have a discount rate 2021 and 2022 season when they are looking to improve the monies for their new media deal?

    Worse product on the field will lead to worse offer for the rights... of course, MLS is probably banking on the improved USMNT play to offer up their coattails for a package deal...
     
  25. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think they can. Most reasonable people understand that the current circumstances aren't going to continue for very much longer. It's possible that TV revenue may be affected in 2021, but once things start cranking up again, things should normalize.
     

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