MLS Financial Records Thread

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  1. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
  2. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    http://web.archive.org/web/20030628154228/www.mlsnet.com/content/99/0422tickets.html

    Season tickets:

    1998-38,863
    1999-41,463

    Code:
    MLS SEASON TICKET COMPARISON - 1999 TO 1998
    Team                     % compared to '98	
    Columbus Crew            +49%
    Tampa Bay Mutiny         +51%
    Colorado Rapids          +28%
    Miami Fusion             +26%
    D.C. United              +20%
    Chicago Fire             +4%
    MetroStars               -5%
    Los Angeles Galaxy       -11%
    New England Revolution   -11%
    Kansas City Wizards      -13%
    Dallas Burn              -25%
    San Jose Clash           -31%
    TOTALS                   +7%
     
  3. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    http://www.socceramerica.com/article.asp?Art_ID=14039

    Season Ticket Sales:

    Colorado

    1996-2,205
    1997-990

    Columbus

    1996-9,078
    1997-6,477

    Dallas

    1996-2,605
    1997-1,562

    DC United

    1996-3,031
    1997-3,534

    Kansas City

    1996-4,115
    1997-2,899

    Los Angeles

    1996-3,226
    1997-2,882

    Metrostars

    1996-8,581
    1997-7,760

    New England

    1996-5,220
    1997-6,728

    San Jose

    1996-2,808
    1997-3,358

    Tampa Bay

    1996-1,126
    1997-1,704
     
  4. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
  5. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    http://www.socceramerica.com/article.asp?Art_ID=53958

    Season Ticket Sales:

    2001-41,206 as of 3/16/2001

    League officials have trumpeted an increase of 16 percent over last season in season-ticket sales (41,206 as of March 16). Garber says by the start of the season he expects the league to break its all-time record of 43,782 set in 1999.

    Which means the 2000 final total: about 35,500

    And, the 1999 total I previously quoted was not the final total.

    Overall Season Ticket Sales

    1996-41,995
    1997-37,893
    1998-38,863
    1999-43,782
    2000-35,500 (estimate)
    2001-41,206+ (probably closer to 44-45,000)
     
  6. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    http://www.socceramerica.com/article.asp?Art_ID=53844
    http://www.socceramerica.com/article.asp?Art_ID=53899
    http://www.socceramerica.com/article.asp?Art_ID=55805
    http://www.socceramerica.com/article.asp?Art_ID=52507
    http://www.socceramerica.com/article.asp?Art_ID=562133284
    http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/11369565.htm

    Season Ticket Sales:

    Colorado

    2000-1,400 (estimate)
    2001-about 3,000 (as of early March)

    Kansas City

    2003-6,000+ (did we ever get a final number?)
    2004-4,914
    2005-2,700 (so far. not sure when the cutoff is)

    San Jose

    1999-3,400
    2000-about 4,000

    Higher season ticket sales in 2001 than 2000.


    2002 Overall:

    Up 5% (March 2002)

    Unclear if this is up over the final 2001 total or just the total through March 2001. I would assume the former.
     
  7. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    http://www.virtual-soccer.com/metro02/metro629.html
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/us/news/2003/04/01/mls_quotes/
    http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCN/is_4_24/ai_78538316
    http://www.intermark.com/rapids/rp020128.html
    http://www.sptimes.com/News/120701/Sports/MLS_also_exploring_co.shtml
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/mls/wizards/2001-06-19-wiz.htm
    http://kc.wizards.mlsnet.com/MLS/kcw/about/
    http://www.mesoccer.com/articles/soccer-article-184.htm
    http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=4754008&BRD=2263&PAG=740&dept_id=461593&rfi=6
    http://www.s-t.com/daily/03-98/03-15-98/e10sp196.htm

    Season Ticket Sales:

    Chicago

    2000-3,350 (estimate)
    2001-4,300+ (Before season opener. Guessing around 4,500 overall?)
    2002-4,700 to 4,900 (Before season opener, estimate)
    2004-up 14%, (compared to same date in 2003, as of 3/16)

    "Season ticket sales in 2001 also jumped to a record 34%."

    I'm guessing that means that it's 34% over the 2000 total, so I've put that one down as 4,500/1.34, or around 3,350.

    Colorado

    1998-up 135% (3/15/98)
    2002-up as of 1/28.

    ...who are now 166% ahead of 2001 season-ticket sales figures for the upcoming 2002 season compared to last year at this time."

    Columbus

    2000-7,765+ (3/8/00)

    Dallas

    1998-up 140% (3/15/98)
    2001-set team record
    2002-up 10%

    DC United

    2000-4,758+ (3/8/00)
    2003-7,100 (per Stephen Goff, as of 4/16)
    2004-7,000

    Kansas City

    2001-4,000 (estimate)
    2003-6,710 (exact)

    Miami

    2001-up 15%

    Still, they (and Tampa Bay) "ranked among worst."

    Metrostars

    2000-3,130+ (3/8/00)

    New England

    2000-3,938+ (3/8/00)

    Tampa Bay

    1998-up 200% (3/15/98)
    2001-ranked among worst

    Overall

    In 1998:

    In the notorious weak spots, however, Tampa's season-ticket sales are up 200 percent, Colorado's increased 135 percent, and Dallas' are up 140 percent.

    From MLS season preview piece, 3/15/98.

    2000-

    "Season ticket sales are lagging behind last year's totals, but they cannot be evaluated until May 1, when teams have played at least two home games apiece. As of March 8, the top four teams in season tickets were Columbus at 7,765, United at 4,758, New England at 3,938 and New York/New Jersey at 3,130."

    So, apparently two home games for each team is the cutoff date. Ok.

    In 2001:

    "Season ticket sales are up in every market"

    2003-up slightly

    "Season ticket sales have grown slightly from last year in all of our markets."

    (Doesn't mean all teams have increases.)

    "L.A. has exploded past its numbers last year..."

    Money News

    Written after 2001 season:

    "Tampa Bay, according to published reports, costs MLS $1.5-million per year."


    Hey, here's the book I need. Has current season ticket data for every pro team. That would be interesting to see.
     
  9. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    http://www.majorleaguesoccer.com/content/99/1120awards.html
    http://www.3rddegree.net/archives/2001/news01a.htm
    http://www.3rddegree.net/archives/2002/news02.htm
    http://63.147.65.175/rapids/raps0405.htm


    Season Ticket Sales Overview:

    Chicago

    1998-
    1999-up 4%
    2000-3,350 (estimate)
    2001-4,500 (estimate)
    2002-4,800 (estimate)
    2003-
    2004-up 14% (around)
    2005-

    Colorado

    1996-2,205
    1997-990
    1998-1,350 (estimate)
    1999-1,700 (estimate)
    2000-1,400 (estimate)
    2001-3,200 (estimate)
    2002-5,000 (estimate)
    2003-
    2004-
    2005-

    Columbus

    1996-9,078
    1997-6,477
    1998-6,500 (estimate)
    1999-10,000 (nearly)
    2000-7,765+ (3/8/00)
    2001-
    2002-
    2003-
    2004-
    2005-

    Dallas

    1996-2,605
    1997-1,562
    1998-2,700 (estimate)
    1999-2,150 (estimate)
    2000-2,850 (estimate)
    2001-3,100 (estimate)
    2002-3,400 (estimate)
    2003-
    2004-
    2005-

    (not sure about these numbers, especially 1998 which affects the following years)

    DC United

    1996-3,031
    1997-3,534
    1998-
    1999-up 27%
    2000-4,758+ (3/8/00)
    2001-
    2002-
    2003-7,100
    2004-7,000
    2005-

    Kansas City

    1996-4,115
    1997-2,899
    1998-
    1999-down 13%
    2000-2,067
    2001-4,000 (estimate)
    2002-
    2003-6,710
    2004-4,914
    2005-2,700 (so far)

    Los Angeles

    1996-3,226
    1997-2,882
    1998-
    1999-down 11%
    2000-
    2001-
    2002-
    2003-way up
    2004-
    2005-

    Metrostars

    1996-8,581
    1997-7,760
    1998-
    1999-down 5%
    2000-3,130+ (3/8/00)
    2001-
    2002-
    2003-
    2004-
    2005-

    Miami

    1998-
    1999-up 26%
    2000-
    2001-up 15%, among worst

    New England

    1996-5,220
    1997-6,728
    1998-
    1999-down 11%
    2000-3,938+ (3/8/00)
    2001-
    2002-
    2003-
    2004-
    2005-

    San Jose

    1996-2,808
    1997-3,358
    1998-4,450 (estimate)
    1999-3,400
    2000-4,000 (estimate)
    2001-up
    2002-
    2003-
    2004-
    2005-

    Tampa Bay

    1996-1,126
    1997-1,704
    1998-3,400 (estimate)
    1999-4,800 (estimate)
    2000-1,000+ (1 month before season)
    2001-among worst


    If anyone can confirm these numbers, or has any other concrete info, please let me know.
     
  10. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
  11. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    http://soccer365.com/US_NEWS/MLS/page_95_49778.shtml
    http://66.221.11.74/mls/crew/020418week5.shtml
    http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cach...ticket+sales"+-antonio&hl=en&client=firefox-a
    http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=globe&page=soc-mls/news/AHN2488703.htm
    http://www.stpetersburgtimes.com/News/030701/Sports/Mutiny_seeks_to_disco.shtml

    Season Ticket Sales Overview:

    Columbus

    1996-9,078
    1997-6,477
    1998-6,500 (estimate)
    1999-10,000 (nearly)
    2000-7,765+ (3/8/00)
    2001-
    2002-7,316 (down slightly)
    2003-
    2004-
    2005-

    Updated with 2002 number.

    DC United

    1996-3,031
    1997-3,534
    1998-up
    1999-up 27%
    2000-4,758+ (3/8/00)
    2001-7,000 (slightly more)
    2002-6,460
    2003-7,100
    2004-7,000
    2005-

    Two interesting bits of info:

    "This year's increase in season ticket holders marks the sixth time in seven years that D.C. United has shown growth in its season ticket base since the inception of the league in 1996."

    It appears that 2002 was the decrease.

    "The league tabulates season ticket numbers until June 1, 2003."

    New England

    1996-5,220
    1997-6,728
    1998-
    1999-down 11%
    2000-3,938+ (3/8/00)
    2001-
    2002-5,284
    2003-
    2004-
    2005-

    Added 2002 number. Also, 5,284 in 2002 was the third best, behind CLB and DC, so every other team must be below that. Actually, everyone else must be less than 5,143 (see sportsnetwork.com article).

    Tampa Bay

    2001-down slightly


    2002 Overall-Up 2%, 4/16, according to Lamar Hunt.

    2004 Overall-"Season ticket sales have increased for the second straight year."

    So, 2002 must have finished as a down year (probably very slightly). Or, maybe the up 2% was in reference to the 10 remaining teams sales' from 2001 to 2002, and not the overall numbers.
     
  12. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
  13. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A few from there, bUt I'm sure there's more;

    Ken Horowitz paid $20 million for the Fusion.
    From 1996 to 1998, player salaries were 28% of revenues.
    Median salary in 1999 was $47,100.
     
  14. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    http://www.soccertimes.com/wagman/2001/feb09.htm
    http://www.soccertimes.com/wagman/2000/oct26.htm
    http://www.soccertimes.com/wagman/1998/dec18.htm
    http://www.soccertimes.com/wagman/1998/nov13.htm
    http://www.soccertimes.net/mls/2003/sep23.htm

    Salary Cap:

    1997-1.5
    1998-1.57
    1999-1.65
    2000-1.73
    2001-1.7

    I believe the salary cap increased by 5% each year, for a while.

    From 2000:

    General league overhead and player's salaries are shared expenses among all the owners. So-called "game-day" expenses are split, half becoming a general league expense -- split among all the owners -- and half the responsibility of each team's specific owner-investor. Revenues, likewise, are also split.

    General league revenue from sponsors and the national TV deal -- if there is really any revenue yet from that source -- go to the league to offset general expenses and player salaries. Half of game-day revenues also go to the league, with the other half remaining with the individual owner-operator, a split that also applies to local sponsors and local broadcast deals. This revenue stream is meant to offset the individual team's overhead -- coaches, front-office staff, training facilities, marketing, etc.


    Team Purchases:

    LA-bought by AEG in 1998 for $26 million.

    CHI and MIA paid a $5 million expansion fee. I think Horowitz lost about $20 million (at least), I believe he only paid the $5 million for the actual team.
     
  15. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Average salary in 1996 was approximately $70000 (gulati11)

    MLS paid the A-league $500,000 in 1997 and 1998, and smaller amounts in 1999 and 2000, for the cooperation agreement they shared. (gulati08)

    Minimum salary was $24000 from 1996 till 2004; currently $28000.

    Maximum salary was $175000 in 1996 (gulati11), $192500 in 1997 and 1998 ("Mutiny hoping to add 2 top players", 1997, "Galaxy trades Campos to Chicago", 1998), currently $270000 (?)

    Total player acquisition costs (salary and transfers) for year 1 of MLS were $26 million. (gulati11)

    Median salary was $33993 in 1996 (openstate01)

    1996 salary cap was widely reported at $1.13 (or 1.193) million; a signficant majority report it at 1.3 million in 1997.

    "The league also has done a credible job of marketing itself to
    national sponsors, garnering an estimated $ 50 million in corporate
    support from the likes of Anheuser-Busch, American Honda, FujiFilm,
    AT&T, MasterCard and American Bandai -- all in for a minimum
    of $ 2 million a year." ("Everything ready for launch of league", 1996)

    "We're delighted with the television numbers -- nearly half a
    million households for ESPN and ESPN2, with outstanding numbers
    for the 18-34 male market," Logan said, "and 350,000-400,000
    for Univision, where we are outdrawing regular Mexican League
    games." ("MLS encouraged by first-half results", 1996)
     
  16. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Salary structure, going on my numbers:
    Code:
    		Min		Max		Cap
    1996		24,000		175,000		1,130,000
    1997		24,000		192,500		1,300,000
    1998		24,000		236,750		1,570,000
    1999		24,000		255,000		1,650,000
    2000		24,000		260,000		1,730,000
    2001		24,000		270,000		1,700,000
    2002		24,000		270,000		1,700,000
    2003		24,000		270,000		1,700,000
    2004		24,000		275,000		1,700,000
    2005		28,000		275,000		1,800,000
    
    
    
    
    The salary numbers are terribly reported - there's absolutely no agreement about how much the maximum is, with several numbers being thrown around each year; however, they're all pretty close to each other, and should be within $5000 of the reported max. It seems the cap hasn't risen since 2001?
     
  17. swedcrip34

    swedcrip34 New Member

    Mar 17, 2004
    i've seen a couple of places the cap is 1.8 this year
     
  18. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
    http://www.soccertimes.com/wagman/1998/dec18.htm

    Wagman said that the cap was 1.5 in 1997. I also thought that the cap was raised slighty recently, to about 1.8?
     
  19. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    I know he does, but I think he's wrong.

    "New cap size: Logan reiterated that the team salary cap
    (now $ 1.3 million) would increase modestly but declined to announce
    a figure."

    Superstar Valderrama, Harkes, Wynalda top MLS trade rumor list
    November 12, 1997

    "The team salary cap rose from $ 1.193 million in 1996 to $ 1.3 million
    in 1997. The top individual salary is $ 192,500, up from $ 175,000.
    The lowest remained at $ 24,000."

    Logan: Salary cap set for now
    October 21, 1997

    "The players' union also has challenged MLS' single-entity structure
    and its $ 1.3 million salary cap."

    Caligiuri joins L.A. for game
    May 21, 1997

    "In order to attract more high-caliber foreign players, the fledgling MLS had raised each team's salary cap to $1.3 million, from $1.193 million in 1996, it was reported March 23."

    MLS Season Opens
    April 17, 1997

    etc.

    I believe I saw one reference to a 1.4 million salary cap, but Wagman's was the only 1.5. (perhaps he needed a thread like this.)

    On another point, while the cap technically wasn't raised between 2001 and 2005, the addition of developmental rosters in 2002 probably added $100,000 or so to the cap, and another 40,000 or so when the league expanded from 4 to 6 slots.
     
  20. scaryice

    scaryice Member

    Jan 25, 2001
  21. kebzach

    kebzach Member

    Dec 30, 2000
    Greenfield, WI
    The amount referenced here is pretty much what I had always heard-- about $ 100K per date.
     
  22. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Some more stuff (sorry, no citations):

    In 1998, MLS moved its $3 million advertising budget to Dieste and Partners (of Dallas).

    In 1996, MLS licensing was worth between $26 and $30 million, with apparel accounting for 60-70% of sales, headwear 10%, and misc. the rest. In 1997 and 1998, licensing was worth $36 million, in 1999, $30 million.

    Alternatively, in 1998 NASCAR licensing was worth $925 million, 1.44 billion NHL, and 3.1 billion NFL.

    The Miami Fusion were above $1 million in sponsorships in 1999 (apparently unlike 1998).


    Dallas's Cotton Bowl/Southlake fiasco:

    The Cotton bowl lease required $15000 per game when crowds were below 15000, $20000 for larger crowds; Dallas paid Southlake $1 per ticket sold, with a minimum of $7000 per game.

    The team received 50% of net profits from concessions and parking at the Cotton Bowl (all, I believe, at Southlake).




    Through 2001, the Mutiny paid $20000 a game to use Raymond James Stadium. They signed a new lease in 2001, that would have had them paying $30000 in 2002, which would rise steadily to $50000 in 2006. Rent on the Mutiny offices at the stadium was $50000.
     
  23. capitalist

    capitalist New Member

    Nov 13, 2004
    best thread on BS
     
  24. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Just for reference sake, here's the season ticket sales. I didn't note which were estimates, I think it's just too much information to deal with:

    Code:
    		[u]1996	1997	1998	1999	2000[/u]
    Colorado	2205	990	1350	1700	1400
    Columbus	9078	6477	6500	9282	7765+
    D.C. United	3031	3534	.	5000	4758+
    Dallas	2605	1562	2700	2150	2850
    Kansas City	4115	2882	.	.	2067
    Los Angeles	3226	2882	.	.	.
    Metrostars	8581	7760	.	.	3130+
    New England	5220	6728	.	.	3938+
    San Jose	2808	3358	4450	3400	4000
    Tampa Bay	1126	1704	3400	4800	1000+
    Chicago 	.	.	3500	.	3350
    Miami   	.	.	.	1536	.
    Average   	4200	3789	3239	3649	2958
    					
    					
            	[u]2001	2002	2003	2004[/u]	
    Colorado	3200	5000	.	.	
    Columbus	.	7316	.	.	
    D.C. United	7000	6460	7100	7000	
    Dallas           	3100	3400	.	.	
    Kansas City	4000		6710	4914	
    Los Angeles	.	.	.	.	
    Metrostars	.	.	.	.	
    New England	.	5284	.	.	
    San Jose	.	.	.	.	
    Tampa Bay	.				
    Chicago  	4500	4800	.	.	
    Miami   	.				
    Average   	3434	.	.	.	
    
    
     

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