MLS Drops 'em and bends over for Chivas

Discussion in 'Columbus Crew' started by Bill Archer, Oct 16, 2003.

  1. Daksims

    Daksims New Member

    Jun 27, 2001
    Colorado
    This is all Cruz Bustamante and MEChA's doing. ;)

    "Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada."
     
  2. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even more:

    Chris Bergin is reporting that they're also considering Chicago.

    But there's more. Read it all. I'm still going with the "Viagra has pix of Anchutz and Garber doing each other" theory.

    Nothing else explains this level of groveling.

    http://www.ussocceruk.com/news/?CatTypeId=2&ContentId=991
     
  3. Tyree

    Tyree Member

    Dec 29, 1998
    Columbus, Ohio
    One thing we haven't considered is where the player's union will fall on this issue.

    Unless Bailey has pictures of more than just Martino smokin in the boys room.
     
  4. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Chicago thing, I believe, came about from Vergara's desire to open a plant for his fake diet supplements in Cicero, and maybe start a youth academy there.

    I would say Bergin's been doing a huge disservice to this board, American soccer, and US-Mexican relations in general by reporting every single incidence of verbal masturbation that all these Chivas-ites keep blowing up the ass of the collective US-based Spanish-language media (the Mexie board posters will proudly say that this story is getting no play south of the border), but at least he titles this article "Vergara's People Pile on the Confusion". The over-reaction here is getting quite nauseating.
     
  5. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dead wrong. How do you say F*re in Spanish?

    Look, Bergin is simply reporting something that a team official said, on the record, to a journalist, knowing full well it would probably be disseminated.

    It would be entirely disengenuous of him to censor information based on what some people might be too stupid to understand.

    And does this odd opinion of yours, that Chris does a "disservice" by reporting the truth, extend to other public media, or just the soccer press?

    A ridiculous, indefensible position, Eric. Unless and until he goes to work as a PR flack for MLS, he's simply doing his job. I'm sorry that nobody recognizes your superior wisdom and virtue and lets you censor the internet for information the "little people" won't be able to put into context, but them's the breaks, pal.
     
  6. christopher d

    christopher d New Member

    Jun 11, 2002
    Weehawken, NJ
    Which, God willing, means we'll get a real-live answer in a real-live press conference sometime soon...
     
  7. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite Fancy Title Here

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're ability to type while nailed to a cross is an amazing gift, Bill. Never abuse it.

    Notice that my real criticism is of the hysterics of posters on this board. Such as starting a thread called "MLS Drops 'em and bends over for Chivas".
     
  9. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well then, Little Eric, if you're unhappy here, then you should just leave now and never come back.

    It will serve us right for not being more solicitous of your brilliant analysis.

    Idiot.
     
  10. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite Fancy Title Here

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Some people actually understand this. Other idiots, amazingly, don't.
     
  11. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As long as you realize what your missing, Bill...
     
  12. Cannonfodder

    Cannonfodder New Member

    Oct 11, 2000
    Columbus, Ohio
    You are (not your)......hate to be a stickler....but damn....my one pet peeve when it comes to the english language.
     
  13. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry, my bad.
     
  14. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well he's of course looking for the contraction here: "you're" would have been appropriate.
     
  15. TimD

    TimD Member

    Aug 9, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio, U.S.
    It would seem from reports that Garber is out of his league in these negotiations. He tipped his hand early and let this guy know that MLS is desperate for the Latino, read as Mexican, market. Not that this has ever been a secret to anyone.

    From outside appearances this guy has seen it and is playing it for all it is worth.

    It is one of the oldest negotiation tricks in the book. Agree to everything and get in the door. Then schmooze and get an early minor concession or two: no longer Houston but SD, he no longer has to guarantee a stadium just a really good lease.

    Then it's 'hey I got that I wonder if I can get something major'. Lo and behold he gets a major negotiation concession, likely the concession on players. Then its off to the races.

    Expect the requests to get more outragious as he piles the pressure on the negotiations. He knows MLS is reluctant to walk away from the table and discussions have gone too far to be stopped without it being ugly.

    He has also positioned himself in the media so if this does blow up MLS are the ones who will look like they squirreled the deal. If that is the case MLS can forget about ever achieveing their dream of Mexican community support for the league. MLS will be the league of stupid gringo's who screwed over Chivas and hates Mexicans.

    I'm afraid they are underestimating this guy, just another dumb Mexi. You don't get to be a Billionaire by being stupid. And since he made his cash hustling snake oil the odds are he is very good at selling himself, his wares, and leaving a negotiation table with the other side wondering why they feel they just watched their daughters get raped.

    My thinking is that these negotiations are extremely fluid right now and heating up. I hope to God that Garber is better at this than he has shown to date. Otherwise we will wind up with a Mexican team in a US league getting all of their demands not only met but with Garber asking if he can have the honor of servicing this guys board of directors too.

    What gets me is why the obsession with the Mexican market. I mean yeah there are a ton of Mexican-Americans in country now but if they are a fan of Chivas North that will not make them a fan of MLS. Again, the whole idea strikes me as just not being well thought out.

    And if this guy does make this a reserve side training team, which seems likely, does MLS really think the Mexican fans are going to find that interesting for long. In all of MLS' actions toward the Hispanic community I just sense a "dumb taco benders" subtext.

    And if MLS is looking for a higher level of respect in the South American football community is this really the way to go about it? It seems to me that the Mexican League is not really all that highly thought of in the realm of SA football is it? And again, if Chivas North is simply a reserve side what respect does that gain us. Kind of like MLS being happy that we are becoming a development league for Europe.

    All told this has seemed like a bad idea from the beginning and it just keeps getting worse.
     
  16. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your whole post should be carved in marble. Brilliant.

    Above is the "money graf" as they say: this Viagra guy now has MLS by the short ones. If we walk away now, for whatever reason, it'll be read as turning our backs on our Mexicano brothers.

    He has positioned this beautifully - heads he wins, tails we lose.
     
  17. cl_hanley

    cl_hanley New Member

    Sep 3, 2001
    Costa Mesa
    Then again, there is always the possiblity that we could look back on this one day and say that bringing in Chivas was the best move MLS ever made. At this point...it's all conjecture.
     
  18. fdp

    fdp Red Card

    Oct 24, 2001
    Are you stating that MLS thinks that all Mexicans are dumb?

    That is what I get from reading your post.
     
  19. fdp

    fdp Red Card

    Oct 24, 2001
    I don't think MLS wants ChivasUSA in the league to impress the South Americans. They merely want to tap into the growing latino community here in the states which will put more butts in the seats, and better TV deals etc. etc..

    To answer your question, the respect of Mexican Futbol in South America has grown in recent times due to the Mexican National Team and MFL teams participating and succeeding in South American tournaments.
     
  20. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    ACLU and such

    If there is an expansion draft with similar rules to previous drafts, and Chivas SD end up with 10 non-latino players, who aren't scrubs, and less than 6 make the roster, while more than 3/4 of the latinos picked from MLS make the roster, that is grounds for a very succesful case. If the expansion draft rules are changed significantly to allow Chivas to draft mostly latino players while filling the roster with free-agent latinos that will also be grounds for a lawsuit. How are worker visas determined? Can they be denied if they take jobs from American citizens who can do the job just as well? If so the player's union should start looking into ways to use this to their advantage. I could see a judge or a Bush administration INS agent being on MLS player's side. Still I think there will be no special rules for Chivas (these could also be legally challenged), maybe new league wide rules though. Another team in LA is a clear case of market over saturization. If someway Vergara takes over the Fire I might punch a fvcking hole in a wall at the least. Whenever anyone sees anyone involved with the teams or league office of MLS they should make it immenently clear their opinion on Chivas.
     
  21. WHOLMAN2

    WHOLMAN2 New Member

    Dec 4, 2000
    Lahs Angeleez
    No, that's not what Tim is saying.

    What Tim is refering to is the potential Mexican investor. Dumb, as in out of touch and unfamiliar with MLS' fanbase, not dumb as in stupid.

    If Tim is saying that a Mexican with lots and lots of money is dumb, then that's just... well, dumb.
     
  22. fdp

    fdp Red Card

    Oct 24, 2001
    He should have wrote that if he meant that.
     
  23. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: ACLU and such

    By this I assume you mean "an American civil servant"? INS agents are not political appointees. Too bad though because if they were we sure know what sort of jack-booted bullyboys they'd employ, eh?
     
  24. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Then you are an idiot - read the sentence again, only this time don't pick out the three words you want:

    Notice the "underestimating" word there? In the context, he's talking about how Viagra is not dumb and how it would be a mistake to fall back on false stereotypes to think him so. This isn't even difficult to discern, except for guys like you with big chips on their shoulders who go around looking for reasons to be offended.

    I notice though that you didn't object to the previous paragraph where he used the term "stupid gringos". I, and most anybody else over the age of 14 or with an IQ in triple digits understood that as sarcasm.

    Learn to read, get over your paranoia and grow up.
     
  25. CrewToon

    CrewToon Member

    Jun 13, 1999
    Greenbrier Farm
    I don't have a problem with Chivas coming in to the league. Perhaps it will force Lamar to propose putting an end to this single-entity system.
     

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