MLS Cup Final 2025 - Referee Discussion

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  1. AlextheRef

    AlextheRef Member

    Jun 29, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Assignment has been officially announced: https://proreferees.com/2025/12/03/...1-KbGCoC2yuixHculy_aem_j0MG3uUMuvk79AD-X-Re6Q

    The crew for the 2025 MLS Cup on Saturday, December 6, has been announced. The showpiece game between Inter Miami and Vancouver Whitecaps will kick off at 2:30PM ET at Chase Stadium.

    Inter Miami vs Vancouver Whitecaps
    Chase Stadium (2:30PM ET)
    REF: Drew Fischer
    AR1: Cory Richardson
    AR2: Nick Uranga
    4TH: Pierre-Luc Lauziere
    VAR: Carol Anne Chenard
    AVAR: Tom Supple
    RAR: Jeremy Kieso
     
  2. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    Greater Pittsburgh
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fischer: 3rd MLS Cup (VAR 2020 & 2022), first as referee
    Richardson: 3rd MLS Cup (RAR 2020, AVAR 2021), 1st as AR
    Uranga: 1st MLS Cup
    Lauzière: 1st MLS Cup
    Chénard: 1st MLS Cup
    Supple: 2nd MLS Cup (AVAR 2018)
    Kieso: 2nd MLS Cup (RAR 2023)
     
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  3. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Does Fischer now hold the record of longest time between first MLS whistle and first MLS Cup whistle?

    He made his 2012. So 13 years in the league before getting an MLS Cup whistle.

    I can't think of anyone longer.
     
  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Salazar is closest, I think. He starts in 2000 and gets it in 2011.

    Elfath 2012 to 2022. Geiger is actually 2004 to 2014, so both recent WC referees are 10 years in league.

    Obviously can't be anyone from 2009 or before and with Marrufo/Chapman/Kelly getting a bunch in the 2010s, there just aren't a lot of options.
     
  5. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Too bad there couldn’t have been a retiring PRO referee to give the whistle to who would treat the Miami pre-madonnas the way they should be treated and not care because he’s out of there after the game. You can’t fire me I quit
     
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  6. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Pretty clearly wrong handball decision against Busquets to give Vancouver a free kick in the attacking third. Textbook example of deliberately playing the ball off one’s own body, with no secondary motion of the arm. Surprising mistake.
     
  7. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    10’ incident is worth another work later, perhaps an argument for VC against VAN20

    12’ good job stopping that quick free kick, which was clearly being taken from the wrong position.

    13’ easy YC

    A lot for Fischer to deal with early.
     
  8. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I don't blame Inter Miami for embarrassing Fischer. If the referee has no self-respect for himself why should they respect him.

    Obvious fouls and Inter dissents at Fischer and he just smiles at them.

    "Kill them with kindness I guess."

    Gross.
     
  9. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I’m sure you’re thrilled with absolutely no reaction or, god forbid, misconduct for Mascherano literally rubbing into the field to protest a decision in the 51st minute.
     
  10. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    That should’ve been a SPA YC 53’ to Noah Allen
     
  11. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    i don’t think you can blame Fisher at all for that. No way in heck MLS or PRO want this game to be the game that dissent gets cracked down on.

    While it was totally meaningless in this game as it was a 2 goal differential, I still liked that when he cautioned for time wasting, he added time. It’s a major pet peeve of mine in added time when a player is cautioned for time wasting—which takes more time—and no time at all is added.
     
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  12. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    No one is saying give 10 yellow cards for dissent. What I'm saying is do something other than smile at them when they are showing you up. Yell at them, admonition them, warn them, etc. Multiple tools in your tool kit and, maybe, when all that fails give a yellow card.

    They kept showing him up and he kept smiling and nothing changed.
     
  13. A66C

    A66C Member

    N/A
    United States
    Jan 3, 2022
    Does anyone have the numbers on video reviews for the playoffs? I don't think I remember a single one!
     
  14. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Glad to see 10 yellows from Fischer. Nice


    Should have thrown complete a-hole Joe Dickerson on this game, and with half the Miami team retiring, just tell him he’ll never do another Miami game as long as Messi is on the team but to discipline their endless dissent as much as he wants. He would love that, as evidenced by his interaction with Messi earlier this year
     
  15. the_phoenix612

    Manchester United
    United States
    Sep 13, 2022
    Houston, TX
    That's an interesting take on Dickerson's personality...
     
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  16. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    I mean you hear him swearing at players at inside video review, you see him angrily staring at and yelling at players, the whole thing with Messi after that game during the season. He has a very authoritarian personality
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You haven't met Joe Dickerson, have you?
     
  18. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Club: Inter Miami
    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought Drew Fischer did really well.

    Only nit I might have, and it's probably with the VAR, was an elbow to the head, of I think Baltazar Rodriguez, that I thought deserved a 2nd look.
     
  19. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Only on a webinar. By the way I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, I enjoy how he acts towards players, that’s all I’m talking about with his personality, not his regular life
     
  20. the_phoenix612

    Manchester United
    United States
    Sep 13, 2022
    Houston, TX
    I had a REALLY fun and fascinating conversation with Joe at southern regionals last summer about this exact topic (how to leverage parts of your natural personality for your refereeing persona, and how the style choices one referee makes wouldn't work for another referee with a different natural personality).
     
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  21. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Yes I’m sure Joe is a nice guy in real life. Just seeing his referee personality he comes off like a real jerk, and I enjoy it. I’ve actually talked to Victor Rivas in real life, and he’s a somewhat soft spoken guy which also comes across in his refereeing, he’s not confrontational
     
  22. soxfaninny

    soxfaninny Member

    Hotspur
    United States
    Mar 2, 2018
    NY Hudson Valley
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. Twotone Jones

    Twotone Jones Member

    United States
    Apr 12, 2023
    Dickerson had an OFR in the 1st round LAFC v Austin. I can't remember any others though.
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In the first round there were two reviews. Dickerson's and an offside one in Portland v San Diego.

    PRO also internally noted four missed reviews in that round.

    PRO stopped commenting after the first round, so I believe that means there were no more reviews. I am not sure if that means there were also no missed reviews.
     
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  25. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Four missed reviews is… a lot.
     

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