Mls Cup Champions Missing The Playoffs

SixKick · May 6, 2012

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2002 Galaxy lost in the open cup final, or they would have won all 3... I think DC or Chicago may have done the same/something similar perhaps.
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2003 Fire won the shield and USOC, then lost MLS Cup final.

1998 Fire won MLS Cup and USOC, but finished 3rd in the regular season.

profiled · May 20, 2012

Bump.

jond · May 20, 2012

Tactically, I have no clue what Bruce is attempting to do. Just Becks whipping in crosses? And when Becks doesn't start, it goes to shit, as in it's just inaccurate long ball after another. It almost seems like he forgot how to use LD. LD is not getting the ball in any position to be creative most of the time, and Bruce refuses to play the ball through the middle to help get him involved.

Yeah Becks is getting old(although his crosses many times are their best opportunities). Yes they really miss Omar defensively. But that doesn't explain the complete ineptness we're seeing from this impotent offense. Junhino all the sudden seems like a shell of himself. Same with Buddle. Entire team is underachieving. Even though not having Omar really hurts the defense, that is not why they're losing these games.

For how much Bruce rips MLS HQ and their way of doing things, where he does make some good points, it's just as easy to rip his tactical acumen.

simont · May 20, 2012

ITs may as we all no in MLS you can be hot then before you no it You are Clod. Do I think they will win the SS one more time don’t think so but I think they will make it.

mcontento · May 21, 2012

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2002 Galaxy lost in the open cup final, or they would have won all 3... I think DC or Chicago may have done the same/something similar perhaps.
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Yep.

United 1998 - Won CONCACAF Champions League, Won InterAmerican Cup, 2nd in SS, lost MLS Cup to Chicago. (Could have been Quad)

United 1997 - Won SS, Won MLS Cup, lost open cup final

henryo · Nov 21, 2013

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How about biggest negative point swings from one year to the next?
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Just to answer the question, some 1.5 years later:

2013 is the Record-Breaking Season, with D.C. setting the largest drop-offs by Points (-42) and Position (-16).

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Just to expand more details on the Season-on-Season Drop-Offs, both by Points and by Positions:

Largest Drop-offs each Season (By Points and Positions):

Season By Points Team By Positions Team Remarks

96-97 -13 T.B. -4 S.J. T.B. – Made Playoffs as 2nd in the East,
S.J. – Won Wooden Spoon

97-98 -17 K.C. -9 K.C. K.C. – Last in the West

98-99 -24 N.Y. -6 N.Y. N.Y. – Won Wooden Spoon

99-00 -27 D.C. -10 D.C. D.C. – Last in the East, as defending SS Winners

00-01 -34 T.B. -8 T.B. T.B. – Won Wooden Spoon

01-02 -16 CHI. -5 CHI. CHI. – Made Playoffs as 4th in the East

02-03 -20 DAL. -8 L.A. DAL. – Won Wooden Spoon,
L.A. - Made Playoffs as 4th in the West

03-04 -20 CHI. -9 CHI. CHI. – Won Wooden Spoon, as defending SS Winners

04-05 -11 CLB. -9 CLB. CLB. – Last in the East, as defending SS Winners

05-06 -11 N.E. -4 K.C. N.E. - Made Playoffs as 2nd in the East

06-07 -8 DAL. -3 DAL. & CHI. Both DAL. & CHI. still made Playoffs

07-08 -18 D.C. -9 D.C. D.C. – Missed Playoffs, as defending SS Winners

08-09 -18 N.Y. -7 K.C. & N.Y. N.Y. won Wooden Spoon

09-10 -18 D.C. -9 HOU. & CHV. CHV. – Last in West

10-11 -8 S.J. -7 N.Y. N.Y. still made Playoffs

11-12 -13 L.A./DAL. -9 DAL. L.A. still made Playoffs and won MLS Cup, as defending SS Winners!

12-13 -42 D.C. -16 D.C. D.C. – Won Wooden Spoon

Most "largest drop-off"s by Points:

Team Drop-offs by Points Remarks

D.C. 4 All by Themselves!

DAL. 3 (1 shared with L.A.)

N.Y. 2

T.B. 2

CHI. 2

CLB. 1

K.C. 1

N.E. 1

S.J. 1

L.A. 1 (shared with DAL.)

Most "largest drop-off"s by Positions:

Team Drop-offs by Positions Remarks

D.C. 3 All by Themselves!

CHI. 3 (1 shared with DAL.)

K.C. 3 (1 shared with N.Y.)

N.Y. 3 (1 shared with K.C.)

DAL. 2 (1 shared with CHI.)

CLB. 1

L.A. 1

S.J. 1

T.B. 1

CHV. 1 (shared with HOU.)

HOU. 1 (shared with CHV.)

Quick Notes:
1. In the 17 cross-seasons examined:
- 12 seasons (70.59%) have seen the same team(s) with largest drop-offs both by points & positions.
- 5 seasons (29.41%) have seen completely different teams with largest drop-offs by points & positions.

2. 2013 is indeed a Record-Breaking Season, with D.C. setting the largest drop-offs by Points (-42) and Position (-16), well done!

3. Unless otherwise stated, most of these teams did suffer from disappointing seasons, either by:
- Winning the Wooden Spoon
- Finishing Last in their Conferences
- Missing the Playoffs
- Being eliminated in early rounds of Playoffs

4. The only exception being L.A. in 2012, who despite the largest drop-off in points (mainly due to an almost record breaking in 2011), not only made the playoffs, but went all the way to win the MLS Cup as well!!
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henryo · Nov 21, 2013

On the other hand, the largest positive points swings:

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At the other side of the coin of the "Largest Drop-offs" by @Neuwerld, was compelled to work out the numbers for the "Lagest Shoot-ups" as well, and here you go!!

Largest Shoot-ups across Seasons, by Points & Positions (SS Standings):

Season By Points Team By Positions Team Remarks

96-97 +9 D.C. & COL. +3 K.C. & COL. D.C. – Won the SS,
COL. – Made MLSC Final,
K.C. – Topped the West

97-98 +22 L.A. +3 L.A. & N.Y. L.A. – Won the SS

98-99 +14 DAL. +4 DAL.

99-00 +39 N.Y. +10 K.C. K.C. – Won the SS & MLSC,
N.Y. – Topped the East

00-01 +16 S.J. +9 MIA. & S.J. MIA. – Won the SS,
S.J. – Won MLSC

01-02 +20 COL. +7 COL.

02-03 +16 CHI. +6 CHI. CHI. – Won the SS & Made MLSC Final

03-04 +13 DAL. +7 CLB. CLB. – Won the SS

04-05 +26 S.J. & N.E. +7 N.E. S.J. – Won the SS,
N.E. – Topped the East & Made MLSC Final

05-06 +25 CHV. +6 CHV. CHV.

06-07 +10 CHV. +4 CHV. CHV. – Topped the West

07-08 +20 CLB. +5 RSL. CLB. – Won the SS & MLSC

08-09 +15 L.A. +11 L.A. L.A. – Topped the West & Made MLSC Final

09-10 +30 N.Y. +12 N.Y. N.Y. – Topped the East

10-11 +17 PHI. & D.C. +6 HOU. & PHI. HOU. – Made MLSC Final,
D.C. – Still Missed Playoffs

11-12 +28 S.J. +13 S.J. S.J. – Won the SS

12-13 +23 POR. +14 POR. POR. – Topped the West
(Playoffs in Progress)

Most "Largest Shoot-Up"s by Points:

Team Shoot-Ups by Points Remarks

S.J. 3 (1 shared with N.E.)

CHV. 2 The only team with Largest Shoot-ups in Successive Seasons!!

DAL. 2

L.A. 2

N.Y. 2

COL. 2 (1 shared with D.C.)

D.C. 2 (1 shared with COL., 1 shared with PHI.)

CHI. 1

CLB. 1

N.E. 1

POR. 1

PHI. 1 (1 shared with D.C.)

Most "Largest Shoot-Up"s by Positions:

Team Shoot-Ups by Positions Remarks

K.C. 2 (1 shared with COL.)

COL. 2 (1 shared with K.C.)

L.A. 2 (1 shared with N.Y.)

N.Y. 2 (1 shared with L.A.)

DAL. 1

CLB. 1

N.E. 1

CHV. 2

RSL. 1

POR. 1

MIA. 1 (1 shared with S.J.)

S.J. 2 (1 shared with MIA.)

HOU. 1 (1 shared with PHI.)

PHI. 1 (1 shared with HOU.)

Quick Notes:
1. In the 17 cross-seasons examined:
- 14 seasons (82.35%) have seen the same team(s) with largest shoot-ups both by points & positions.
- 3 seasons (17.65%) have seen completely different teams with largest shoot-ups by points & positions.

2. As with the case of the Largest Drop-offs, Canadian teams do not feature among the Largest Shoot-ups too.

3. For @Hachiko’s info, S.J. have the most number of Shoot-ups by Points (3), while several teams (Colorado [to the delight of @JasonMa], K.C., L.A., N.Y.) share the most number of Shoot-ups by Positions (2).

4. Again, for @Hachiko, it is worth noting that Chivas USA were the only team to record the Largest Shoot-Ups in Successive Seasons (2005-06-07), a feat unlikely to be repeated in the seasons to come, ever.

5. The Top-3 records for the Largest Shoot-ups across Seasons, by Points:

Gold: +39 points by 99-00 N.Y.

Silver: +30 points by 09-10 N.Y.

Bronze: +28 points by 11-12 S.J.

(N.Y. occupying the Top-2 spots should be of much dismay to @Knave…
But D.C. will have a chance to top N.Y., if they amass more than 55 points in 2014, for a Shoot-Up of at least 40 pointss between 2013-14, )

6. The Top-3 records for the Largest Shoot-ups across Seasons, by Positions:

Gold: +14 points by 12-13 POR.

Silver: +13 points by 11-12 S.J.

Bronze: +12 points by 09-10 N.Y.

(N.Y. occupying 3rd-spot should be of much dismay to @Knave as well…
Again, D.C. will have a chance to top N.Y., if they finish better than 6th-place overall in 2014, for a Shoot-Up of at least 13 positions between 2013-14, )

7. Unless otherwise stated, most of these teams did enjoy hugely successful seasons, either by:

Winning the MLS Cup,

Making the MLS Cup Final,

Winning the Supporters’ Shield,

Topping their respective Conferences, or:

At least making the Playoffs after missing it in the previous season(s).

8. The only exception being D.C. in 2011, who remain the one and only team to date to miss the playoffs, despite the largest Shoot-Ups in points from previous season, mainly due to a (worst) records-breaking season in 2010.
(Again, this won’t go down well with @Knave too… )
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