MLS Coaching and Front Office - News & Discussion Thread 2019

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The next MLS coach to get fired will be...

Poll closed Jul 4, 2019.
  1. Adrian Heath

    23 vote(s)
    29.1%
  2. Alan Koch

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Anthony Hudson

    9 vote(s)
    11.4%
  4. Ben Olsen

    3 vote(s)
    3.8%
  5. Brad Friedel

    8 vote(s)
    10.1%
  6. Brian Schmetzer

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Domenec Torrent

    11 vote(s)
    13.9%
  8. Frank de Boer

    10 vote(s)
    12.7%
  9. Giovanni Savarese

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Greg Vanney

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  11. Guillermo Barros Schelotto

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. James O'Connor

    6 vote(s)
    7.6%
  13. Jim Curtin

    7 vote(s)
    8.9%
  14. Luchi Gonzalez

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  15. Marc Dos Santos

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  16. Matias Almeyda

    2 vote(s)
    2.5%
  17. Mike Petke

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  18. Remi Garde

    2 vote(s)
    2.5%
  19. Veljko Paunovic

    9 vote(s)
    11.4%
  20. Wilmer Cabrera

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020...-jans-steps-away-duties-pending-investigation

    Cinci's coach Ron Jans has been accused of using a racial slur in the locker room. Reports are that he was singing along with music being played.

    Without knowing more details its hard to know what to think about this. He should have known better, but at the same time he's not an American and hasn't been here long (relatively speaking) so he may not be aware of the.issues around certain words. Ignorance is no excuse though.
     
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  2. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Have we really reached a point where singing along with a song means we have to avoid words in the song.. particularly since he was reportedly doing it with the players, who most likely chose the song...
     
  3. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ron Jans is 6 years older than me and from the Netherlands. How the hell would he know the words to any songs chosen by his players?
     
  4. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    It's time for a new thread and poll for 2020 isn't it?
     
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  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The top two were:

    Adrian Heath 23 vote(s) 29.1%
    Domenec Torrent 11 vote(s) 13.9%

    Better luck next time!
     
  6. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001


    Thx,

    Jay!
     
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  7. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    Also, should certain music not be played in the locker room in the first place? Can seriously be a HR violation. In fact if they try to fire the guy for this and he didn’t choose the music it could be a whole can of worms, legally.

    Thx,

    Jay!
     
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  8. Egbert Sousé

    Egbert Sousé Member

    NYCFC
    May 25, 2013
    nyc
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's the first thing that crossed my mind. Apologies for being Captain Obvious here, but if it was music that contained offensive, racist lyrics, why was it playing at all?
     
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  9. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    The legally side if things depends on whether this is pursued in court, and the court can only award monetary damages. If he leaves, it will be reported as him doing so voluntarily, and any financial compensation won't be reported publicly, probably just a buy out of his contract.

    Ledesma, a player no longer with the team, tweeted this earlier...



    https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/4770833002

    I'm not sure how this will play out, but my expectation is that it will be portrayed as cultural ignorance and he'll receive some firm of diversity/sensitivity training. Keep in mind, his brashness was part of his appeal. There was a You Tube clip of him flipping someone off floating around prior to FCC hiring him. I don't have the time at the moment to find it.
     
  10. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
  11. AeroNaught

    AeroNaught Member+

    Atlanta United
    Feb 14, 2007
    Birmingham, AL
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  12. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That “singing along to racist lyrics” story can’t have been the whole story then right?
     
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  13. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Give (FC Cincy's) job to Giggseh 'til the end of the season!
     
  14. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    These guys hit the point in the team's statement... Themes emerged!


    But it looks like things are moving quickly...

     
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  15. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  16. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who could possibly imagine that someone from the Netherlands could have issues with racism that extends beyond singing along to a song...

    [​IMG]
     
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  17. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know what I'm looking at and I'm still thinking "What the F am I looking at?"
     
  18. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    A visual version of why metaphor is hell on translation.
     
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  19. MPNumber9

    MPNumber9 Member+

    Oct 10, 2010
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ron Jans was just singing along with a song. Didn't know there were so many n-words in Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On" but there you have it.
     
  20. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLSPA takes a giant dump on FCC (and Ron Jans) for putting out the narrative that Jans was under investigation only because of the song lyrics.

     
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  21. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, if it was, then this story shows Cincinnati is Wackier than WKRP
     
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  22. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    The way I'm reading it, he wasn't under investigation for that at all. Meaning that didn't happen.

    Thx,

    Jay!
     
  23. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe he didn't get walls for his office?
     
  24. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it is more that there were other incidents prior to the lyrics?
     
  25. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Gordon Jump didn't die, he just changed his name and moved to Holland.
     

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