MLS clubs will not play in the US Open Cup in 2024

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  1. revelation

    revelation Member+

    Dec 17, 1998
    FC St. Pauli
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    I don't find sports, any sports, to be entertainment. Unless you are entertained by failure, which could be someone's thing. Unless your team is ridiculously stacked, you are going to end the season disappointed. If a movie or music or book disappointed me like that it would be Peter Jackson's Completely Made Up Stories set with characters and a setting that bears almost no resemblance to Tolkien's Hobbit and Lord of the Rings and I reject that with venom.

    Sports are a tribal need for competition and community. YMMV.
     
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  2. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, was the Leagues Cup played 12 v. 12? Did it eliminate offside? What, specifically were the rules that were changed?

    None, you say? The on field sport was exactly the same?

    QED.

    Category error...the business of soccer and the sport of soccer are two different things and when you confuse the two, you will make mistakes.
     
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  3. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    By this logic, the World Football Challenge crowned the world champion of football.
     
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  4. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Leagues Cup was a tournament. It existing and being played is not in question here. Using fixture congestion as an excuse to bail out of the USOC after bagging the middle of the regular season for Leagues Cup is where the excuses start to wear thin.
     
  5. Cavan9

    Cavan9 Member

    Nov 16, 2011
    Silver Spring, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The English players are saying the same things about increasing fixture congestion:

    PFA exploring legal action over increasing number of matches - BBC Sport

    The context is that the Club World Cup will expand to 32 teams and the Champions' League is expanding to 48 teams meaning that the players will have up to 10 more games in their season. They are worried about career threatening injuries due to the extra wear and tear and less recuperation time.
     
  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They. Need. A. Union.

    Also, they need to collectively realize that if there are fewer matches, their pay will be affected. I mean, the NBA clearly needs to go from 82 games to...something less than 82 games. Whatever number would be necessary to get players to stop routinely skipping games.

    But when it was brought up, and the players were told that if games go down 10% so would revenue, and so would pay, it stopped.
     
  7. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    I don't follow the NBA at all, but I've heard talk about load management and dudes taking nights off mid-season which is only a notable failing because it's never been the norm and they don't a federation cup, a league cup, or intercontinental competition. The idea in soccer is much more common and easier to predict when you look at league and cup schedules and of course, barring injury.
     
  8. GumbyG

    GumbyG Member+

    DC United
    Mar 22, 2007
    Chesapeake, VA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe FIFA should blanket limit the number of club games for a given player to 48 across all comps, plus 12 international fixtures. I think you'd need a hard cap on both to prevent handbags. That's more than enough games for most and still too many for a few.

    Theoretically, that'd be good for development, too.
     
  9. revelation

    revelation Member+

    Dec 17, 1998
    FC St. Pauli
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Where is the money in that?
     
  10. GumbyG

    GumbyG Member+

    DC United
    Mar 22, 2007
    Chesapeake, VA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, I'm not sayin' limit comps, I'm saying put a mileage limit on individual players.

    Long term, Haaland's injured less of the time and his body holds out for an extra year. That's $$. Your coach is "straight-jacketed" into rotating in that young player you're trying to develop and sell. That's $$.

    Maybe the argument's not going to be convincing, but you can do the right thing and profit from it. Or at least break even, so why not?
     
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  11. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or the folks who run football could realize that more =/= better.
     
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  12. Section 107

    Section 107 Member+

    DCU
    United States
    Jul 18, 2018
    IIRC MLS CBA (still?) has terms on how many minutes played and recovery time between games.

    Getting FIFA to institute such limits would be interesting.
     
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  13. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Just saw DC United will not participate in the Open Cup, even though teams participating in the CCC are not in it, and other teams are entering in their Next Pro sides.

    The gift that keeps on giving: DC United.
     
  14. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The whole stupid-fight between MLS and the US Open Cup/US Soccer makes me even more dismissive of MLS and their short-sighted "leadership".

    I hope every entrance to every int'l competition next year is given thru Open Cup and only the MLS Cup Winner gets one from MLS - at the most, I might even take that one away.
     
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  15. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    I can't say that I am surprised at even the slightest, but the idea that we're choosing not to prioritize this trophy versus a Leagues Cup & MLS Cup at which we'd be colossal longshots to win. There are only 8 MLS teams playing in this tourney and while some of them are without a doubt better clubs than we are, you still have to play the game, they don't give you the W for just showing up. This is some mickey mouse BS that we're turning out noses up at this.
     
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  16. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    There are no MLS teams from the northeast whatsoever so if DCU played in the Open Cup, they would very likely only face lower tier teams until the semifinals at least.

    What a waste. DC United's long-suffering fans and the Open Cup deserve better.
     
  17. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    A compromise would be to have every MLS team not in the CCC participate. Playing in the Open Cup is our one "realistic" shot at getting a spot in the CCC. F the League's Cup!
     
  18. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not an issue of DC not prioritizing the trophy (Lesesne said they want to play in the Open Cup) it's an issue of MLS deciding who from the league participates, and DC doesn't qualify under those standards.
     
  19. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    We can just enter our NEXT Pro team. Oh, wait...
     
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  20. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    No top tier club has ever had to "qualify" for its federations cup.

    Sorry, Mickey Mouse league.
     
  21. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nah, some MLS teams had to qualify back in 2011, through a play in tourney. DCU wasn't in the tourney proper that year, either.
     
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  22. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    Thank you for the info, I had no idea we'd missed out in 2011.
     
  23. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just want to point out that the Open Cup isn’t league play.
     
  24. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    When the league decides which team play in our nations cup competition, its a Mickey Mouse league, whether it just United or a whole bunch of teams. I am sure there's some point in the history of European soccer there where teams just weren't entered in their nations cup like the FA Cup, Cup de France, Copa Italia, etc.
     
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